New Card Frame
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Posted on Jan. 6, 2014, 2:22 a.m. by JWiley129
In Aaron Forsythe's article he shows and talks about the new card frame. What are ya'lls thoughts on it? Plus, a new card spoiled!
ShadowLand says... #3
thats the 2nd M15 spoiled then, there's this one as well
Also, I think the new look is pretty ok
January 6, 2014 2:37 a.m.
ShadowLand - I omitted Waste Not since technically WE made it :)
January 6, 2014 2:39 a.m.
ShadowLand - don't forget that it'll probably go into most Nekusar, the Mindrazer EDH decks.
January 6, 2014 2:46 a.m.
I do like the new font choice which isn't too radically different from what we have right now. I don't like this holo stamp choice for Rare/Mythics moving forward and the extended black bottom border is not something I like as of right now, but might in time get used to it who knows. Truthfully though they should've just left the frame alone, the font I like, the extra mm of border could be cool, but there was nothing wrong with what he have right now. I too loved the way Futuresight was printed those cards were cool like Sarcomite Myr were cool
January 6, 2014 2:53 a.m.
blackmarker90 says... #9
Wish these were BNG spoilers but I like the new frame. I really do wish they would go back to the Futuresight frames.
January 6, 2014 3:02 a.m.
smash10101 says... #10
Yeah, future sight frames would have been way cooler. I don't like the new one, but I'm sure it'll grow on me. Also, in 5 years, we will have a new modern starting with M15. Calling it right now.
January 6, 2014 3:06 a.m.
Some1TookMyName says... #11
I love the new border/frame any chance this will make it into the next 2 Theros blocks? I doubt it :/
January 6, 2014 3:09 a.m.
yea, looks like a miscut. why did they have to tamper with it, already looked good. WAAIIIII??!!!
January 6, 2014 3:14 a.m.
RegisteredDecksOffender says... #14
Yeah, it seems like we all would have liked Futuresight frames.. maybe one day we'll get to go back to those. :) I personally like the new font, it looks just a tad more magical.. forgive me for being lame and saying that.. I like it because it's got a little extra flair, without going overboard to some ridiculous Sanskrit looking font. Still legible and just a little cooler.
As for the frame itself.. I'm not a big fan, I would have liked it to be a little less rounded.. it kind of makes the bottom of the card look bulbous.. but it's not the worst thing ever. I kind of dig the whole "holofoil stamp" thing. Just makes mythics and rares a little more special.. and imagine how swaggy foil mythics will look with that thing. :)
January 6, 2014 3:16 a.m.
yes, love the holofoil idea though. also makes rare proxies easier to spot (moving forward, that is..)
January 6, 2014 3:27 a.m.
Damn youuuuuu! I thought was hoping no one else posted Waste Not.
Speculation related: Its a cycle of cards with 3 triggers
January 6, 2014 3:36 a.m.
RegisteredDecksOffender says... #17
Waste Not + Blightning = Dirty.
Waste Not + Mind Twist = Evil.
January 6, 2014 3:46 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #18
All I have to say is: F U WotC.
It is now going to be very difficult to get an accurate crop on those bloody images. It is the same reason why I hate cropping planeswalkers for our card image database. I'm not too sure how the extra millimeter will translate into the blurryness of the images. The special sets don't have their own WotC card image databases, so we could be screwed out on those future sets.
One thing that I'm really anticipating, is a new modern like format. Just like they did with 8th edition, but just start all over in a new one, keeping the old modern intact. I always thought that Theros would be the best set to start this one off with, since it is designed to be slow, but with the new border implementations, M15 could probably be a better option. It would certainly follow with the flavour of Modern in that the new format is introduced when the cards have a new look.
Asking Epochalyptik if we could get a M15 set put into place. That way I can start right away in the adding of these spoilers.
January 6, 2014 3:47 a.m.
smash10101 says... #19
I was wondering when you would start work on that Femme_Fatale. I think we can figure something out. I'll try to work on a macro to crop the new cards properly. I'll let you know when (if) I get it running.
January 6, 2014 4:14 a.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #20
I really like these frames. They look delightful. Also, did everybody else see that they named the font after a certain Blue Planeswalker?
January 6, 2014 4:19 a.m.
Ultimaodin says... #21
Waste Not is like a black version of Primeval Bounty. Also, it was a community design. Wall of Fire is also a reprint, and a card I am happy to see reprinted because I like defenders.
As for the frame,can't say I'm a fan.
January 6, 2014 4:31 a.m.
Not a revised Future Sight border, so I'm not entirely giving a rats patooty about the new YuGiOh borders, but I understand the identification of frauds and proxies is a concern.
January 6, 2014 4:46 a.m.
are we gonna see Golgari penalty/control decks in trend? lol
January 6, 2014 6:17 a.m.
I'm ok with the frame and the layout thing, even though I hink they're useless and pointless, but I really really don't like the foill/shiny oval, I quote DukeNicky. Don't you guys think is a silly and kiddish thing? It doesn't make the rare and the mythics more special, it makes them look like some collectable baseball or whatever sport cards. They want to make them appealing for the youngsters but is wrong, I believe. I hope they change their mind or personally I think they should be boycotted.
January 6, 2014 9:30 a.m.
As far as bad design goes, having a label like that, right in the middle... is so awful and distracting from the rest of the general design of the a card, or anything in a small area. Thats probably the killer.
In the long run, anything they reprint will be worthless for the secondary market compared to older printings.
I have this sinking suspicion that WoTc will PACK m15 with a bunch of really really strong/broken cards just to makes sales and attempt to swing numbers to make it seem like m15 was the most sold core set, and then claim it was the new borders.
As far as the "next" modern, yea... I see it. Modern'll become the next extended (and it'll also die), and then we'll have modern 2 or whatever, so that way WoTc can keep another "manageable" format. You guys ready for more Legacy powercrunch?
January 6, 2014 9:41 a.m.
KrosanTusker says... #26
I love Modern as it is, I hope they don't change that or start a replacement format.
I think the deal with the holofoil is to make forgeries easily identifiable. (I don't know who'd want to forge Magic cards but apparently it happens) Still, it looks a bit weird but I dislike the new border more than the shiny oval, but as people have said, I'm sure we'll get used to it.
January 6, 2014 11:03 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #27
The new borders are, well, new. borders. I understand enlarging the bottom black border to make the collector's info easier to read, but it looks kind of unattractive. I like how it frames the P/T box for creatures, though. Maybe the design will grow on me.
The holofoil stamp on new rares and mythics is just unnecessary, and it's visually unappealing. It interrupts the borders and doesn't really serve any purpose. On creatures cards, which have another border interruption in the bottom right for the P/T box, the stamp will look especially awkward. Additionally, the one splotch of foiling on nonfoil cards will be irritating to the eye.
I do like the changes to the collector's info, as it makes cataloging much easier.
January 6, 2014 11:04 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #28
I got a proper crop smash10101. It is a 245 by 350. 2 pixels larger on each side, considering the original crop size for WotC card image database was 241 by 346.
January 6, 2014 11:16 a.m.
megawurmple says... #29
I really don't like the new borders. Not in the slightest. It looks really asymmetrical, like someone's taken a sharpie and coloured in the bottom part of the card. The holofoil thing is understandable (preventing forgeries and what not) but it doesn't look great. Why couldn't they have just put a small holofoil patch on the old card borders? Then we at least wouldn't have to adapt to a new (and ugly) border.
As for the suggestions of a new Modern, I would absolutely despise Wizards if they did that. The point of Modern is that, although it has a large pool of cards to choose from, it is constantly expanding and evolving with the release of each new set. Just cutting it off after Theros block would stop that evolution dead. Besides, it wouldn't make sense for Wizards to do so much work promoting Modern (MMA being released, more sanctioned Modern tourneys etc.) only to stop it soon after. I can't see a new Modern emerging, and if it does I'll certainly have something to say about it.
January 6, 2014 11:20 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #30
Nonono, TitansFTW, the new modern would be in addition to the old modern. It would be named something else ... like ... ummm ... "Current" ... I have no idea. The old modern would continue just like always, we would just have a new format that STARTS at Theros or M15.
January 6, 2014 11:34 a.m.
TitansFTW, I think you might mean symmetrical, not asymmetrical. Cards right now lean right but the reading of left to right makes them feel balanced. That stamp in the middle of the bottom PLUS having darker bottom borders makes the cards more symmetrical (which is not something you usually ever want in graphic design).
If they made a newer modern format, it wouldn't cut off modern, it'd just start with m15. And maybe even also be 8ED though THS as like, Classic magic (in like 10-15 years)
January 6, 2014 11:36 a.m.
Ultimaodin says... #32
Okay, just worked out the main thing that bothers me, the shifted the P/T up to a spot where it legitimately aligns with nothing. On top of the new bottom change, the card feels very out of balance. Why not bring the border to end at the description border? Why part way up.I get the reason behind the changes but Aesthetically the current frames are prettier. It won't affect playing the card so it doesn't really bother me.
January 6, 2014 11:40 a.m.
megawurmple says... #33
Oh, I thought you guys meant that Modern would just die. I guess it would make more sense to have Modern continue. I misunderstood.
Dorotheus I did mean asymmetrical, but I meant along a horizontal line of symmetry, not a vertical one. The bottom of the card now has more border than the top, which makes it asymmetrical in that respect.
January 6, 2014 11:41 a.m.
pingpongball120 says... #35
Wasn't Waste Not the tournament winner of the create your own magic card thing on Wizards of the Coast?
January 6, 2014 11:47 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #36
The main issue I have with all this "bottom changes" to the cards, is now all that black at the bottom of the card will attract the attention of the players. Just like the white borders of cards did. The holo-thing will also do it worse to.
January 6, 2014 11:48 a.m.
megawurmple says... #37
pingpongball120 Yep. Look at the flavour text on the image of it. That kind of gives it away.
January 6, 2014 11:49 a.m.
Well, Garruk in m15 not a big surprise really, all but confirmed. [X]
January 6, 2014 1:53 p.m.
If Wizards does decide to create a 'new modern' format, where only these new border cards will be legal, they will wait a few years until the card pool is large enough, like they did with the current modern format.
I really dislike the new card design. Like other people have said, it looks like someone just sharpied in the bottom part of the card. Looks really unattractive compared to the current modern frame (although, I do think the old card borders were the best).
The holofoil mark on rares and mythics is also really distracting. It just seems really gimmicky, and if its purpose is to stop counterfeiting, people will find ways around it.
January 6, 2014 2:01 p.m.
I don't think the new framing is different enough to establish its own format. It its jarring for the moment, but the modifications seem to be practically-minded. Unsexy unsexy practicality. Prediction: in 2017, they will add a qr code XoP
January 6, 2014 4:06 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #43
The bottom of the frame does look all screwy and blobby to me, but I'm glad Aaron explained the major reason for it (being machine-readable for quality control purposes). To be honest, the updated name font will probably weird me out the most, but as with everything else that's changed over the years I'll get used to it.
January 6, 2014 4:16 p.m.
MonsterFinder221 says... #45
Wtf, The reason the current frame lasted for so long is because it's awesome as it its. If they ever make this new border design, they better keep it in M15. (But I upvote the waste not)
January 6, 2014 5:49 p.m.
MonsterFinder221 - If you read the article Aaron said that all sets post M15 will have this cardframe. Sorry to burst your bubble :(
January 6, 2014 6:11 p.m.
I... don't care. I can't find it in me to care. I don't believe that the new border and new font looks any less legible or understandable, so it's no worse to me. If it means better QC then I'm alright with it.
It seems like I should be up in arms over changing the card front like this, but I just don't have it in me to care about this pretty inconsequential looking change.
January 6, 2014 6:20 p.m.
I'm in Spammy's boat. It doesn't seem drastic or game-changing or dumb-looking enough for me to care about the change.
January 6, 2014 6:36 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #49
@Rhadamanthus: I just looked at the typeface. It bothers me. There's a principle in visual design that you should go with contrasting or identical typefaces. Contrast creates interest. Uniformity stresses cohesion. If two typefaces are similar, but slightly different, it creates conflict, which most people would find slightly annoying or unnerving because it means there's slight dissimilarity that doesn't really belong. In this case, the new typeface creates conflict. I don't agree with it, and the capitals in particular are unsettling because there are no major layout changes that justify the switch.
January 6, 2014 6:56 p.m.
hunter9000 says... #50
I wish they could have worked the foil stamp into the expansion symbol. Since it's an indicator of rarity, why not include it with the other indicator of rarity? It wouldn't draw attention to the bottom of the card, and it could be worked into the set logo creatively. Imagine if the letters of M13 were foiled, with the same gold or orange background. It probably wouldn't be easy with all symbols, but it wouldn't be as jarring.
The biggest gripe I have about the new border is that it doesn't come down to the bottom of the text box. It makes it look really strange, and kind of unbalanced.
mmdw34 says... #2
It looks like a miscut, it is weird but we will all get use to it. I personally love the way futuresight was printed with the different layout but this is not as cool as futuresight
January 6, 2014 2:26 a.m.