News on lands in BFZ
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Posted on Aug. 5, 2015, 3:16 p.m. by golffore297
From Blogatog, Mark Rosewater's Tumblr:
"Ive been getting these two questions about Battle for Zendikar quite a bit, so I think its time I finally answered them.
First, yes, Battle for Zendikar will be the return of full-art lands. Ive seen them and youre all in for a real treat.
Second, Battle for Zendikar does have a cool rare cycle of dual lands, but theyre brand new designs and not the Zendikar fetch lands."
DarkAurora7 says... #2
What if the "new lands" were ally colored pain lands?
August 5, 2015 5:42 p.m.
NoPantsParade says... #3
Lololololol that made me chuckle. I'd be sad and disappointed.
August 5, 2015 5:43 p.m.
UrbanAnathema says... #4
All he said is no "Zendikar" fetches, and that they were new designs. They could be new fetch lands that operate in a different way. If Landfall returns it seems to me that fetches just make sense within that mechanic for Limited.
Thusly, you could simply have a new kind of fetchland. Perhaps fetches that allow you to get a land of either color, enter untapped but then require you to sacrifice at the end of your turn. Given MaRo's penchant for word games...I wouldn't be surprised at all if it were something like that.
August 5, 2015 6:09 p.m.
UrbanAnathema says... #5
Or something else...its all a guessing game but I would be surprised if some sort of fetching better than Evolving Wilds weren't part of the set.
August 5, 2015 6:10 p.m. Edited.
welp they just lost a tooooonnnn of sales with that announcement oh well....
August 5, 2015 6:13 p.m.
IvoryFrost says... #7
..."fetchlands" with added landfall effect?
like if it were a green/black land:
add 1 to your mana pool
scarifies this land search your deck for a forest or swamp and put it onto the battlefield?
duno how landfall fit into it :/
August 5, 2015 6:17 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #8
@EmblemMan They also gained a ton of sales by revealing the full-arts =\
August 5, 2015 6:17 p.m.
UrbanAnathema says... #10
Exactly. He was careful to say the "Zendikar" fetchlands. It may be something or nothing...but I think we could see a new design that is an "homage" to the Zendikar fetches and have a similar, but new mechanic.
August 5, 2015 6:21 p.m.
IvoryFrost says... #11
August 5, 2015 6:24 p.m.
TheAnnihilator not nearly as much as fetches would bring plus you cant even get them in bulk from teh fat packs so that sucks getting 36 full arts from a box is pretty mediocre plus they wont be worth a dollar or more while they are in standard im sure.
August 5, 2015 6:25 p.m.
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME CRAZY ASS HYPE??????
A Friend just pointed this out to me:
The 2015 Commander sets Will be enemy colors (Izzet, Golgori, Orzhov, Simic, and Boros)
What colors are the Zendikar fetches again?
August 5, 2015 6:31 p.m.
NoPantsParade says... #15
I proposed something like that in another forum. I was shot down.
August 5, 2015 6:32 p.m.
I think it's plausible that they'll reprint the enemy Fetches in the new Commander decks, seeing that they're enemy-colored. That would also make each deck valuable and not make one precon the "one to get." It would also be around the price of a fetch, give or take. So, you would pay ~30$ for the fetch of your choice in addition to the rest of the deck.
It would certainly help the marketing campaign, at least.
August 5, 2015 6:34 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #17
@NoPantsParade And I shot down the guy who shot down your idea by supporting it in said thread.
August 5, 2015 6:37 p.m.
JDMCRIB wouldn't it also make them a huge target for speculators and keep them out of the hands of their target audience, players trying to get into EDH?
August 5, 2015 6:38 p.m.
NoPantsParade says... #19
Yes, us wishful thinkers sticking together. I think Wizards would be the ultimate trolls if they did that though.
August 5, 2015 6:41 p.m.
I think the problem with putting ~$40 cards in the Commander decks which are supposed to MSRP for about that much, is it would unnecessarily inflate the prices of each deck. Ultimately I think it's a bad idea.
Would I want fetchlands in a Commander precon? Sure. Would I pay $30 extra dollars for them? Nope.
August 5, 2015 6:45 p.m.
I bet it's really a surprise and we're going to get 10 fetches, 10 storage duals that don't require mana to be paid into em, 10 indestructible duals that come in tapped, 10 scrylands with cycling and a copy of Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth for every color but black that are capable of summoning the Kaiju.
That leaves what, 5 rare slots available? Those will be quad colored legendary creatures that can be played as commanders and that all flip into walkers. Also Brothers Yamazaki make a guest appearance in full battle-garb. Yeah, that about sums it up.
August 5, 2015 6:47 p.m.
Well, wish I saw this earlier. Oh well. Tarns are now at $90. Think they'll continue going up?
August 5, 2015 6:56 p.m.
Tarns are at $90? Tcgplayer would like a word with you.
August 5, 2015 6:57 p.m.
From what I heard before, (I was on hiatus during the last Zendikar block), full arts were originally included in the initial run of fat packs printed but were removed after that and replaced with non-full art lands. So if you bought your fat pack when it was first released you got full art lands, but if you picked yours up at a later time you'd get regular lands (depending on how often your shops stock rotates). This may be why some say there were in the fat packs and other say that they weren't in them before.
August 5, 2015 6:58 p.m.
There's one tarn at $70 from a seller called "smartplaya", a mod played one at 76, and the rest are 83-90.
August 5, 2015 6:59 p.m.
NoPantsParade says... #27
Catacombs are above $70 now. Got them $30 each this morning. Feels good, man.
Chief is right, they were moments ago.
August 5, 2015 7:02 p.m. Edited.
Dalektable says... #28
I'll just be the one in the corner stoked about new full art basics, and not ranting about the lack-of-reprint of the zendikar fetch lands. I'm just waiting for the announcement that the fat packs will have the full art basics pack and then I will buy many.
August 5, 2015 7:11 p.m.
Dalektable I don't see them putting full arts in fat packs again. It incentivizes people to buy fat packs instead of boxes.
August 5, 2015 7:19 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #30
mindcrush And why would WotC not do that? I imagine they make more money on Fat Packs than on boxes. I quite hope they do provide full art basic packages for Fat Packs. Despite my best efforts, I still love getting Fat Packs and this would at least make it worth it to me.
August 5, 2015 7:37 p.m.
God thats such a joke well rip anyone trying to get into modern
August 5, 2015 7:39 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 I hope the do, I just don't think they will. I don't claim to know their sales numbers but I would imagine they make more money from the sale of boxes than on fat packs.
August 5, 2015 7:42 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #33
Well, even if they make more altogether, I'd imagine that, per item, they are going to make more on fat packs. 9 packs + various extras for $40 (though, I think they sell them to retailers at something around $30) versus 36 packs for $100 (and I think these are sold to retailers at around $80). I dunno, maybe I'm completely off base. Economics never were my strongest subject.
August 5, 2015 7:49 p.m.
Well, the no fetches business annoyed me considerably (mostly because I was just about to pick up a Tarn this month). I'm not butthurt, but I'm mildly irritated because now I have to replace all the fetches (in my one deck) with the likes of Evolving Wilds (Not like that's a bad thing!). It's going to be replacing the 3rd fetch that will annoy me to death.
And I hope Avon does the full-arts. Nielsen full arts would be a Godsend. Other than my minor rant and the full-art blurb, I'll just wait and see what these new duals bring to the table.
August 5, 2015 8:04 p.m.
Well, I for one am really fucking pissed. So much for ever finishing my playset of fetchlands. There's almost no chance we'll see ZEN fetches again until maybe 2017.
August 5, 2015 8:23 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #36
EmblemMan now now, you already knew Wizards doesn't give two halfs of a shit about Modern.
that was a joke, in case anyone couldn't tell.
August 5, 2015 8:37 p.m.
Well, now that we're not getting fetches, these new lands better be freaking amazing if wotc wants to avoid the pitchforks and torches
August 5, 2015 8:42 p.m.
SpartanCEL says... #38
I don't usually buy from my lgs cause he overprices everything, but I got my 4th catacombs for 44$:p.
Totally looking foreword to full art lands though.
Does anyone else feel bfz is gona bring back some people from their magic 'hiatus? I heard dtk did for some people (dragons I guess)
August 5, 2015 8:59 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #39
Okay time for one of my (in)famous rants.
If anyone was looking for evidence of whether or not Wizards cared one wit about Modern, this is it. Here is your definitive proof that Wizards, for all their promotion and hyping of the format, does not give a single flying fuck about the format. This was their chance, but no, they decided that a printing of Onslaught fetches was good enough. Any arguments of equity are utterly moot, because this would have been the Standard set that wold have satiated all constructed formats. Modern players would have been content for years had they printed the damn fetches. Legacy players would have also been appreciative, especially those trying to get into Legacy and if this site is anything to go by, that number is a relatively fair number of people.
But no. Wizards has once again defined itself by its poor decision making. A trait that has become increasingly apparent over the past two years. They claim they want people to be able to access Modern with relative ease. They then refuse to reprint the final set of cards that would make that a reality. They hype the format, they create special fucking sets for the format and then they fail to deliver on the most essential cycle of cards within that format! Oh, they've done a fair job reprinting Goyf and a few other staples, but every Modern player knows that, barring running Goyf of LotV the most expensive part of Modern is the mana base. Battle for Zendikar could have been something special, it could have been the set that showed Wizards cared about its players. Instead it shows that Wizards does not care. It will hype Modern to infinite and beyond, but it will not actively support that format in a meaningful way.
To those who believe that Modern players are entitled bastards, I would like to remind you of two things:
- Wizards promotes that mentality.
- If Wizards actually supported our format properly, we wouldn't complain, but they have failed to do so. So yes, Modern players, who feel slighted, who feel disappointed are more than likely going to be incensed.
August 5, 2015 9:02 p.m.
MagicalHacker says... #40
How exactly does Enemy manlands classify as "brand new designs"? They seem more like "almost new designs" to me...
August 5, 2015 9:02 p.m.
SpartanCEL says... #41
CanadianShinobi why did some people (I'm assuming you are included) speculate on their reprint? Why not just buy them when they were already at one of their lowest prices in years? I just got my fouth catacombs and I got all mine for around 40$ each.
Honestly I believe my lgs owner, wizards knows what they're doing. I'm guessing they'll be in the set(is that the right word?) after bfz
August 5, 2015 9:11 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #42
SpartanCEL why did I speculate? WHy did others speculate? Because it made bloody sense to do so. Revisiting Zendikar makes perfect sense for a reprint. Especially because Zendikar was such an iconic set to begin with. If Wizards knows what they're doing, I hope they enjoy pissing off the format they so heavily promote.
August 5, 2015 9:15 p.m.
notamardybum says... #43
I'm betting the zendikar fetches will spike only because retards will panic and start to buy them out, letting people increase the price because of the demand
August 5, 2015 9:23 p.m.
beakedbard says... #44
How about something that taps for two colors and the first time another land you control enters the battlefield add one of either color to your mana pool. It would have to enter the battlefield tapped obviously but that would make for interesting games.
August 5, 2015 9:25 p.m.
notamardybum: It has already begun. Tarn is already about $90-100.
Marsh Flats, Scalding Tarn, Arid Mesa, Misty Rainforest, Verdant Catacombs (for reference).
August 5, 2015 9:27 p.m.
Well, looks like prices didn't update on here yet. But, yeah, check TCGPlayer out and see for yourself. It really sucks for those who want them. :(
August 5, 2015 9:28 p.m.
notamardybum says... #48
Lol, yeah they've doubled. Hilarious. People are stupid. I'll be fine with my off color fetches for now
August 5, 2015 9:35 p.m.
SpartanCEL says... #49
brandontraps I think especially foil (and normal) ktk fetches are pretty solid investments rn. You said you've made bad financial decisions on magic so I wanted to offer, atleast I think, solid advice from a stranger on the internet
So people who are upset about the fetches buy some ktk fetches to sell later;)
I think if they don't reprint the zendikar fetches soon, I'll be inclined to think they don't fully cater to the people wanting to get into modern. It ain't hard to get Tarmogoyfs for 140 rn. Complain away people, wizards has done a lot for modern. The fetches suck yes, work with the ktk fetches until you can move up. Shocks are still low and anything in mm15 is low
August 5, 2015 9:38 p.m.
I really am curious what the new lands will be. Last time they did a new land cycle, it was in Theros, and it was the Scry temples, and I liked those (for standard at any rate). I'm hoping it's something akin to the shocks where there was at least the option of bringing them in untapped. Even if they don't have the land types (seems a bit OP to do that in standard with fetches about)
abenz419 says... #1
Even if they aren't reprinted in the BFZ block, they will still see a reprint somewhere. Possibly even the very next block. You could probably make a few bucks if pick up Zen fetches now because in the short term they will rise, but I wouldn't pick them up thinking your gonna sit on them for a few years. Especially knowing that a reprint in the near future is far more likely than it is not.
August 5, 2015 5:25 p.m.