News on lands in BFZ
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Posted on Aug. 5, 2015, 3:16 p.m. by golffore297
From Blogatog, Mark Rosewater's Tumblr:
"Ive been getting these two questions about Battle for Zendikar quite a bit, so I think its time I finally answered them.
First, yes, Battle for Zendikar will be the return of full-art lands. Ive seen them and youre all in for a real treat.
Second, Battle for Zendikar does have a cool rare cycle of dual lands, but theyre brand new designs and not the Zendikar fetch lands."
I already took out all of my fetches from my Sedris deck and did the same thing (and adding in Exotic Orchard) because...I'm OCD about it. All three or none at all. No in-betweens.
I was half-anticipating the news anyway.
August 5, 2015 9:39 p.m.
I know it's sad, and I hate to say this, but...I'm sure we'll live. No one's out of the fight yet (so to speak), just because the fetches didn't get reprinted. There's always next year.
August 5, 2015 9:46 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #5
abenz419 instead of snidely alluding to my comments, just tag me next time.
Before you go off on your little tirades and rants about how Wizards screws everything up and they don't care about their formats, you should probably have more information than a three sentence blog post. Especially one that is literally only talking about the very next set and says absolutely nothing about never printing the Zendikar fetches.
Except for the fact that Wizards has made poor decisions for some time now; such as a failure to reprint Serum Visions (a bloody common). So my anger, disappointment and utter discontent is not solely driven by this decision, however since that required actually reading comprehension skills; something in the past you have grossly lacked, I shouldn't have expected a competent or well reasoned reply from you.
August 5, 2015 9:54 p.m.
CanadianShinobi You need to calm down every time someone brings up anything about modern and price point you go on a rant about how wizards hasnt done anything in the past 20 years for the format. It has already been proven that the cards that take price spikes like the fetches take the spikes due to the community and the secondary market wizards does not have to suck your dck for modern to be supported or good they have done plenty and as its been pointed out there are many other times for them to reprint them in the coming months for the price to balance out. Plus its not like people are actually going to pay these prices for fetches that were 50% of the price just 6 hours ago my guess is that they will be down to just about 10 dollars more than their old price in a few weeks. I am also upset about the lack of reprint but I am not blowing up about it because theres no reason to and its unreasonable.
August 5, 2015 10:06 p.m.
i bet the fetchlands will be in the second set after bfz
August 5, 2015 10:08 p.m.
beakedbard says... #8
Not quite River of Tears more like Urborg Volcano that landfalls adding one mana of either color when your next land enters the battlefield as a one time thing. I'm not good at using the formatting here so i can't give a better example.
August 5, 2015 10:08 p.m.
UpsetYoMama says... #9
CanadianShinobi No one says you have to play Magic. If you're that disillusioned, I mean, keep it to yourself. I'm just tired of hearing people complaining.
And Wizards has done many things about reprints to support Modern; even if it hasn't dropped the price much, adding modern promos to FNM like Path to Exile and Serum Visions is a start.
You have to remember that Wizards thinks in large time frames, and they have plans down the road as well. I mean, they have a product (Modern Masters) to support the format. They reprinted the shocks and half of the fetches already. What more do you want? A silver platter?
August 5, 2015 10:19 p.m.
First off I wasn't referencing you (you just think I was cause of how much you were crying) hence the reason I didn't tag, I was using the word "you" in a general sense because your not the first person to cry and you won't be the last. So before you get even more butthurt and decide that I"m singling you out, you might wanna slow your role, take a moment to breath, and think about how ridiculous you sound crying that you didn't get what you wanted in the first place.
Secondly, just because you've deemed them not reprinting Serum Visions recently as a failure, doesn't make it true in any way shape or form. Again, that's just you not getting what you wanted when you want it. If they said oops we just forgot the card existed and it should have been in that set, then yes, I'd call that a failure. However, them not reprinting it when you think it should be, is not a failure by any definition of the word. I'm sorry, but the game of Magic wouldn't have survived for over 20 years if they literally failed at everything they do (something you seem to actually believe when you say it). So before you waste any more of your time responding to me, just know, I'm only going to continue to find how much your crying to be funny.
August 5, 2015 10:23 p.m.
KillDatBUG says... #12
God fucking damnit... I give up. All the speculation targets that I've missed, and now THIS happens.
At least I got my set of Scalding Tarns for Delver prior to this...
August 5, 2015 10:24 p.m.
@Greendawg81 now that's a sealed product that would definitely sell lol
August 5, 2015 10:25 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #14
UpsetYoMama and EmblemMan I am fully aware of how Wizards thinks, however to insult my intelligence regarding that matter is frankly disgusting. The problem is that Wizards is utterly disconnected from the player base. Their long term plans are utterly infeasible for a format such as Modern, especially since they promote it so heavily. I would take no issue with Wizards if they did not promote the format to the extent that they do, however such is not the case.
I presented no insults to anyone here until I myself was insulted. It is fucking disgraceful that no one will present rational arguments towards my own arguments, and instead will bloody insult me.
August 5, 2015 10:26 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #15
They could print zen fetches in the next big spring set. Half a year is not that far away and KTK fetches will rotate, mana bases in Standard would be sketch with all 10 and no temples. The new lands could be sweet and Modern playable. Might diversify mana bases and not force people to rely on fetch => shock in order to be competitive.
August 5, 2015 10:27 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #16
abenz419 did I say everything they've done is a failure? No. I clearly stated that recent decisions have viewed as failures by the Modern community. They hype the format and then fail to deliver in an adequate fashion. But if you refuse to actually read what I put in front of you, so be it.
August 5, 2015 10:30 p.m.
UpsetYoMama says... #17
CanadianShinobi It's not worth my time to argue about it. Lumping me in with another user and assuming that our intelligence, argument, and motives are the same is insulting to me, besides.
On another note, I am excited for full art lands. What do you guys think the foils will go for? I hope not quite as much as the Zendikar ones, at least while they are in Standard.
August 5, 2015 10:32 p.m.
Hooray, full art lands! I hope they are packed the way they were in Zendikar Fat-Packs, where you got a bunch of them.
August 5, 2015 10:36 p.m.
CanadianShinobi I actually did present an extremely relevant argument last time you ranted on a thread with me and you never replied to it so you have yet to show us any relevant argument to support your ideals.
August 5, 2015 10:39 p.m.
SimicPower says... #21
What is Mark Rosewater is just trolling all of us? Maybe fetchlands will be reprinted, and MaRo just wants to sit back, watching prices inflate and laugh at the hordes of magic players buying loads of fetchlands only to have their prices tank in a month.
Just kidding of course.
August 5, 2015 10:50 p.m.
army88strong says... #22
Jesus can we all stop this arguing? I know everyone is upset that we didn't get the enemy fetch lands in BFZ. This doesn't mean that they are out of the question for Sweat as the ally colored fetches will be rotating out when Sweat rotates in. It is very possible we get the enemy fetches then. It's possible we don't get them in that set either. Which would suck as well. As someone who wants to get into modern, does it sadden me that I won't get Fetches? Fuck yeah it saddens me. However, I am going to remain optimistic about the new designs we will be getting in October.
Try to think about the design space left in certain areas of the game and what cool cards that were created that blew people's minds. Lands that allow you to scry? How weird was that? Planeswalkers that can transform? Holy Crap! There are plenty of weird combinations that are yet to be explored. We all know that Zendikar is a wild place. The roil is constantly changing the environment. I had this idea and so did suislecalme back on page one. Since Maro has stated it before that they want to tell the story on the cards, what better way than to experience the roil than to have lands that transformed? Maybe a land that taps for 
, then, if it meets X condition, you exile it and return it transformed to the battlefield under your control. Now, it can tap for either of it's respective mana. This would play in nicely with Landfall if they decide to bring it back, it is something completely new that we haven't see before, and it is a nice way to fix your mana once the ally fetches rotate out in the Spring. It is a possibility. I would love to see enemy fetches return just as much as the next guy, but arguing isn't going to change that we don't have fetches for BFZ. So let's just relax and settle this with a nice friendly game of EDH =P
August 5, 2015 11:13 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #23
army88strong we have "transfroming lands" they're called Man-Lands. Meet Creeping Tar Pit.
August 5, 2015 11:26 p.m.
Transform is not something that any of the manlands do.
Creeping Tar Pit
Celestial Colonnade
Raging Ravine
Lavaclaw Reaches
Stirring Wildwood
Forbidding Watchtower
Faerie Conclave
Spawning Pool
Ghitu Encampment
Treetop Village
701.25. Transform
701.25a Only permanents represented by double-faced cards can transform. (See rule 711, "Double-Faced Cards.") If a spell or ability instructs a player to transform any permanent that isn't represented by a double-faced card, nothing happens.
So lets give an example of what a land with transform could do:
Normal Side:
Name Research Center
Types Land Subtype Island
"Whenever you control both a red and a blue permanent Transform Research Center"
"
: Add 
to your mana pool"
Flavor Text "Niv-Mizzet grants those who show promise resources to prove themselves worthy of his favor."
Second Side:
Name Abandoned Research Center
Type Land Subtype Island, Mountain
": Add or 
to your Mana pool"
Flavor Text "Using Niv-Mizzet's resources for your own gain leads to disastrous results."
I'm choosing to trust wizards on this. They have realized long ago that scrylands while good for standard are unacceptable for modern so I'm sure they'll get the power level closer to shocks, checks, or filters this time. I expect the new lands won't be as easily fetchable as the shocklands though.
August 5, 2015 11:58 p.m.
army88strong says... #25
CanadianShinobi- I guess I should more so say DFC Land. Played a lot of Innistrad so transform means DFC in my book. sorry. should have been more descriptive
August 5, 2015 11:59 p.m.
00xtremeninja says... #26
I for one am outraged they haven't spoiled a reprint of the moxen. Lousy ass Wizards not giving a shit about us Vintage players.
August 6, 2015 12:10 a.m.
JohnnyBaggins says... #27
Interesting how the European Market has shown no reaction at all. If the values you say here are anywhere near true, maybe I should seize the day and invest 300 Euros into Scalding Tarns. Right now, they're still around 30-40 Euros, which is roughly 32 to 43 Dollars.
August 6, 2015 1:55 a.m.
@ suislecalme...yes? Personally I only had enough money to invest in 2x playsets of the khans block fetches, but if I had the cash I would have invested in the others already.
August 6, 2015 2 a.m.
WovenNebula says... #29
I'm not heavily invested in this argument about fetches but didn't Aaron Forsythe allude to no fetches in khans at one point, and I'm not referring to the brainstorm brewery podcast. I'm not saying that fetches will be in Bfz, I believe it will be later in the Bfz block or a supplementary product. I already have my play sets I'm more or less curious about new art :).
August 6, 2015 2:43 a.m.
We're complaining about no fetches in BFZ which is fair enough but we do need to consider that there might be a printing of new modern playable dual lands. I'm not reading into this as an 'all is lost' situation because fetches may come in the set after BFZ and the lands in BFZ might be really good.
August 6, 2015 5:21 a.m.
notamardybum says... #31
Again... stop fucking whining. It's not wizards fault you don't want to pay $10 for a card printed I forget how long ago. I saw packs of fifth dawn being sold for $8 go buy some
August 6, 2015 6:03 a.m.
elpokitolama says... #32
CanadianShinobi I'm sad too, it means that less people will die from my Leonin Arbiter... :(
Seriously speaking, bringing onslaught fetches to modern was a good move from them. They almost do not give a damn about speculation, and if we do not see a reprint in this new set, it's because of WotC's favorite format: Standard.
Reprints will come, just wait a bit and play mono colired decks like me :p
August 6, 2015 7:25 a.m.
golgarigirl says... #34
I'm going to buy ALL the fat packs, like I did for Zendikar. I made back the price of those in BASIC LANDS relatively quickly after release. I am sad about the lack of fetches in BFZ, as it's going to be financially impossible for me to get them until they're re-released, and just as I got into Modern to boot (my Soul Sisters needs some Mesas, and my Living End needs Catacombs T_T ). I doubt they'll be out in this block, but Wizards is going to have to re-release them soon, I think, since they're going to be very prohibitive to players reaching into older formats in the future.
August 6, 2015 8:17 a.m.
Everyone cool your tits. They will be reprinted in the Commander 2015 decks. They made the C15 announcement shortly after the "no fetches in BFZ" announcement, stating that they will be enemy colored 2-color decks this time around.
August 6, 2015 8:23 a.m.
NoPantsParade says... #36
C15 came first, then the fetch announcement came.
August 6, 2015 8:26 a.m.
There will be no C15, MM2 was the special product for 2015.
edit: or so I thought...
August 6, 2015 8:26 a.m. Edited.
canterlotguardian says... #38
If they do reprint the fetches in the new Commander set, expect stores to inflate the prices just because you're guaranteed a fetch.
August 6, 2015 8:40 a.m.
weisemanjohn says... #39
Thinking about it, the printed shocks in (return to) Ravnica, scrys in Theros, ally fetches in Tarkir. That means if they follow a cycle, (battle for) Zendikar should be a new land set that probably won't be modern playable, but the set AFTER may have modern playable reprint lands. They shouldn't just keep pumping out modern staples in every set as it takes away opportunities to introduce new material.
August 6, 2015 9:09 a.m.
Holy crap! The fetches almost doubled in price! Scalding Tarn is 85 now? Misty Rainforest is 73 now? Marsh Flats are 40 now? Arid Mesa is 50 now? Verdant Catacombs is 70 now? Well, there went my chance of getting a verdant catacombs for cheap.
August 6, 2015 9:09 a.m.
Do not expect the fetches to be in C15. I heard rumors about Cryptic Command being in the blue deck last year. Guess what happened?
In other words, no way in hell would they put fetches into C15.
August 6, 2015 9:25 a.m.
Maybe something like
When X enters the battlefield exile a basic land.
Tap add x and y to your mana pool.
Would make the spoiled ZvsE Eldrazi useable.
August 6, 2015 9:45 a.m.
canterlotguardian says... #43
And this is the perfect time for me to say again what I've been saying all along: just use the ONS/KTK fetches. The most expensive one is less than a 20-spot. Problem solved.
August 6, 2015 10:06 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #44
Surprised it took 3 pages. +1 to ChiefBell's comment #129.
All of this arguing about something that could be good? These new lands may not be fetches, but that doesn't mean they're garbage. No need to cry about a gift before opening it.
August 6, 2015 10:19 a.m.
Harashiohorn says... #46
Grove of the Burnwillows Land Cycle? Please please please please let that be it. Most fetchlands are/were cheaper than grove.
August 6, 2015 10:43 a.m.
canterlotguardian says... #47
Harashiohorn I'd rather see a land cycle in the vein of River of Tears but MaRo said that it would be a "new" land cycle, and both the Grove and River are pre-existing cards (obviously, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about them lol).
August 6, 2015 10:49 a.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #48
I'll just leave me 2 cents here and be on my merry way:
I highly highly doubt Wizards would be stupid enough to allow both KTK fetch lands and enemy colored fetches to both be in Standard at the same time. That would break the format.
Also, from a business perspective, why should Wizard care about secondary market prices of cards? They don't make any money off it. Now if a reprint falls into R&D's plans, like with the KTK fetches, then reprint them, but otherwise I don't see why they should care. Especially when they already have support for formats like Modern in Modern Masters and the recent FNM promos.
Lastly, I personally would rather see a new set of lands with new mechanics than a reprint of old lands. I really like that transforming land idea someone suggested earlier on this thread, though I think that mechanic is supposed to be reserved for unique sets. Regardless, I was on hiatus during the first trip to Zendikar so I am super excited for this next round!
August 6, 2015 11:18 a.m.
Greendawg81 says... #49
I think its funny that so many people complain about the people who are disappointed with the lack of reprint. It speaks to your sense of entitlement more than it does for the people who are disappointed about the fetches. If your minds are so fragile that you cant cope with reading a simple comment about someones disappointment well, maybe you should avoid the internet, cause theres a whole lotta venting going on in the interwebz :)
August 6, 2015 11:28 a.m.
We may get something that links with an ability that already exists... there are already scrylands... why not dredge/mill lands
like this: "whenever this land comes into play put the top card of your library in your graveyard"
or
"whenever this land comes into play target opponent puts the top card from his library in his graveyard".
abenz419 says... #1
haha I love seeing all the butthurt people. Wizards isn't printing the cards I want in the next set.... booo hooo. Anyone who has paid attention to Maro before knows that he chooses his words wisely. Just because he said they won't be in Battle for Zendikar doesn't mean they'll never be reprinted. Battle for Zendikar is only the name of the first of two sets in the block. Saying they won't be in BFZ doesn't even guarantee that they won't be printed in the next block, it just guarantees they won't be in the first set. Before you go off on your little tirades and rants about how Wizards screws everything up and they don't care about their formats, you should probably have more information than a three sentence blog post. Especially one that is literally only talking about the very next set and says absolutely nothing about never printing the Zendikar fetches.
August 5, 2015 9:39 p.m.