News on lands in BFZ
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Posted on Aug. 5, 2015, 3:16 p.m. by golffore297
From Blogatog, Mark Rosewater's Tumblr:
"Ive been getting these two questions about Battle for Zendikar quite a bit, so I think its time I finally answered them.
First, yes, Battle for Zendikar will be the return of full-art lands. Ive seen them and youre all in for a real treat.
Second, Battle for Zendikar does have a cool rare cycle of dual lands, but theyre brand new designs and not the Zendikar fetch lands."
WotC, or at least Mark Rosewater, has indicated that having to much shuffling going on slows down the games and makes them take longer than is appreciated.
I am all for all the fetches being in standard at once as it makes burn a very serious competitor when people put over 8 fetches in the deck, or even just 7 really.
One other thing to consider is game shops and tournaments don't appreciate 8 of the first 12 turns (accross both players) having to stop for fetching.
Less shuffling means less opportunity to cheat as well, though this wasn't given as a reason for disliking all the fetches at once.
August 23, 2015 9:28 p.m.
Pretty sure I heard it was confirmed that Fat Packs would not have full art basic land. That said, I can only find the confirmation for this for the Gift Box...
August 24, 2015 7:37 a.m.
GreenGhost says... #7
According to his posts the it's the only sealed product that will contain full art lands aside from packs.
August 24, 2015 11:37 a.m.
Full art lands have been confirmed for Fatpacks. Prepare your wallets.
August 24, 2015 2:03 p.m.
weisemanjohn says... #9
Prepare your wallets assuming the art looks good... Personally, I don't like the original zen full art forests which are the basics I would most be interested in.
August 24, 2015 2:17 p.m.
Yeah, full art lands are cool and all, but it'd be best to know what they look like.
August 24, 2015 2:37 p.m.
I think it's a pretty safe bet that they will look cool.
August 24, 2015 2:47 p.m.
elvennoble says... #12
for the new land cycle, what about lands like Yavimaya Coast (forget the name of the cycle) except without the colourless, but its two basic land types. Not completely unique, but original enough that it might be it (depending on wizards definition of new design)
August 24, 2015 3:06 p.m.
GreenGhost says... #13
Well this is how I'm getting the full arts for my cube, sweet.
August 24, 2015 4:04 p.m.
RoarMaster says... #14
smackjack although the drone does not have 'Ingest 1' that doesnt really mean anything. There is flanking, and then there is Cavalry Master.
August 24, 2015 4:21 p.m.
Cyberpunk_Eevee says... #16
Maybe ingest will be stacking, and there will be cards like "Ingest (8) enchantment: Creatures you control gain ingest. Each instance of ingest triggers separately."
August 24, 2015 6:04 p.m.
TheNextRedDude says... #22
TWO? I have enough saved up for like 3, plus one to sell in a while when its valuable.
August 25, 2015 8:04 a.m.
Harashiohorn says... #23
You guys know that the Zendikar full art lands weren't the expensive ones? That was the Unhinged full art lands right? And that if there are a huge market influx of these, while they will look nice they will have almost no value and it would be cheaper to just buy a bunch of them than to buy a fatpack? Since fatpacks are not a limited print run product, and there is a set number of lands in them?
August 25, 2015 10:05 a.m.
TheNextRedDude says... #24
Yes, but we get full arts, and we are also mostly paying for packs.
August 25, 2015 10:39 a.m.
I can get Fatpacks for the same price as packs at my LGS so there is no reason not to get Fatpacks for me. I LIKE the full art lands and have a bunch of the OG Zendikar ones. IDGAF about mtg finance, I want full art lands.
August 25, 2015 1 p.m.
Posted this in the other thread earlierPrices in my area with an 8% tax included:
3 Fat packs = $97.20
Box = $97.20/36 = $2.70 per pack
$2.70x27 = $72.90
$97.20-$72.90 = $24.30
$24.30/240 lands = $0.101 per land
10 cents per land out of the fat packs is not too bad
August 25, 2015 2:40 p.m.
IvoryFrost says... #27
" IDGAF about mtg finance, I want full art lands."
Basically, this.
August 25, 2015 6:09 p.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #28
I wouldn't buy zendi fetches since they will most likely be printed in the next set after BFZ and Scalding Tarns are like 80 bucks. If you don't have instant use for them just wait. When the next set is out and if they are in it, I assume the higher demand lands will see similar pricing that polluted delta's and Flooded Strand's saw between 14 and 18.00$ with the huge increase of availability. If you buy 1 tarn now you could have bought a playset in Feb 2016 if thats true.
August 25, 2015 10:57 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #29
I wouldn't spend more than $50 on Tarns. Wait on the Zendi fetches. It shouldn't be too long. It's not like they're difficult to reprint like Snappy is.
August 26, 2015 4:46 a.m.
ShadyViking says... #30
What if the new lands wil be tricolored fetchlands?
August 26, 2015 5:16 a.m.
IvoryFrost says... #31
"Second, Battle for Zendikar does have a cool rare cycle of dual lands"
I don't think that's happening...
August 26, 2015 5:54 a.m.
wwhitegoldd says... #33
Is this the new official spoiler page discussion for zendikar? Or is there going to be a another page for that?
August 26, 2015 9:03 a.m.
Cyberpunk_Eevee says... #35
wwhitegoldd Nah, this is just land discussion/anticipation.
August 26, 2015 2:09 p.m.
SomethingRandom says... #37
IvoryFrost - Oh lol, it's been so long since I read the actual post.
August 26, 2015 2:20 p.m.
bah-bammmm says... #38
i wonder if its going to be man lands. knowing wizards, they all are probably going to be bad.
August 26, 2015 4:23 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #39
"knowing wizards, they all are probably going to be bad."
Yeah cause MtG is a very shitty game, right? Such an asinine comment bah-bammmm...
August 26, 2015 5:12 p.m. Edited.
bah-bammmm says... #40
whoa im sorry. its just that most of the man lands already printed were pretty bad. a couple were good. i would like to see a Mutavault reprint. that would be nice.
August 26, 2015 5:14 p.m.
bah-bammmm says... #41
Lavaclaw Reaches isnt very good, Raging Ravine. is ok. Stirring Wildwood is not too good either. the only situations those became good were when 2 players were top decking. honestly, Mutavault is the best man land ever printed, it has most use. Darkslick Shores and Celestial Colonnade are good. Inkmoth Nexus and Blinkmoth Nexus are good, but wizards screwed infect players when they decided to reprint blinkmoth a ton and never reprint inkmoth. and the urza's legacy man lands were pretty awful.
August 26, 2015 5:34 p.m.
bah-bammmm says... #42
Creeping Tar Pit* my bad. not the darkslick shores.
August 26, 2015 5:35 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #43
So you don't think Stirring Wildwood is an auto-include for GW decks in Standard? How about Raging Ravine for RG decks? You also think Mutavault would be a good reprint even though it was just in Standard, warped the format, was the #1 played card, and stifled diversity?
You sound like a clueless Modern player...
August 26, 2015 5:41 p.m.
Even a clueless modern player knows how busted manlands are in a format with less efficient removal options.
August 26, 2015 5:46 p.m.
bah-bammmm says... #45
removal is heavy in modern, so maybe man lands would be better if they didn't die to removal. Mutavault never warped any format. the reason that its good is tribal. Mutavault never ruined anything. i am just saying my guess is that the new enemy colored man lands would not be very good.
August 26, 2015 5:53 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #46
Well I see you decided to block me for pointing out the stupidity of your comment bah-bammmm. Juvenile reaction but well within your rights. We should probably just end things here (as you don't desire interaction), I'm sure someone else will clear things up for you.
August 26, 2015 5:53 p.m.
bah-bammmm says... #47
hmm? you bothered to check that? that is really sad. i just blocked you because i didn't want to deal with a standard player with a bad attitude.
August 26, 2015 5:54 p.m.
Manlands are huge in modern DESPITE the removal. They'd be even more format warping in a format that doesn't have access to one mana removal spells. Remember a manland is essentially a 'free' creature given that it fills both a land and creature slot. Removing one is pure card disadvantage in a lot of ways. They're just super, super strong and whilst they could, perhaps be in standard wizards would have to be extremely careful about how they went about it.
August 26, 2015 5:55 p.m.
Not sure I agree. Scars of Mirrodin didn't suffer because Affinity wasn't reprinted, or the artifact lands.
August 26, 2015 5:56 p.m.
bah-bammmm says... #50
my best guess is that the ones they are printing wont be as powerful as Creeping Tar Pit. i think they might be good in standard, but not relevant in modern. infect would have been much better off if they reprinted inkmoth in modern masters 2.
DemonDragonJ says... #1
Why, exactly, would WotC not wish to have all ten "pay 1 life" fetchlands in standard at the same time? They did not seem to have any problem with all ten shocklands or all ten filterlands being in standard simultaneously, so how is this situation any different?
August 23, 2015 9:24 p.m.