Oath of the gatewatch lands
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Posted on Oct. 11, 2015, 7:49 a.m. by unbendingsea
This is all in speculation, but I was browsing cards on the gatherer and stumbled upon the legacy duel lands like tropical island and such. What my question is that while I was searching those lands I happened to see the new style card set up with the shiny emblem at the bottom middle of the card, so that being said; is mtg going to reprint the legacy duel lands or is that how gatherer is going to be presenting all cards when being searched?
EpicFreddi says... #3
If they reprint lands from the reserved list, the sky will turn red and it will rain blood.
October 11, 2015 7:53 a.m.
Legacy duals are on the reserved list, meaning Wizards has promised to never reprint them ever to protect investors. There is literally a 0% chance they'll be printed.
October 11, 2015 7:54 a.m.
unbendingsea says... #5
That's what I figured, I looked at the reserved list and saw they were still there so I assumed they would never reprint, but does anyone know any spoilers or any ideas what they are going to print out on the new set?
October 11, 2015 8:04 a.m.
well you know the new dual lands? battle, tango, twofer, have; whatever.
Smoldering Marsh and friends. well the other five of those. and 3 more man lands at least.
October 11, 2015 8:14 a.m.
GreenGhost says... #7
Well they were going to complete the cycle of man lands adding a r/u, r/w and b/g.
October 11, 2015 8:15 a.m.
Complete the cycle of tango lands or whatever you want to call them and then more manlands.
October 11, 2015 9:05 a.m.
asasinater13 says... #9
did they confirm they're going to complete the cycle of tango lands? It's only a small set and I could totally see them just finishing up the manlands.
October 11, 2015 9:11 a.m.
I mean they haven't confirmed it, but Wizards always completes cycles they start these days, especially land cycles. I'd bet $100 they print 5 enemy colored tangos in Oath.
October 11, 2015 9:17 a.m.
asasinater13 says... #11
I'm not sure they want mana that good in standard, and there's almost nothing stopping them from waiting until the next block. a small set, even on zendikar, doesn't want 8 rare lands. They would show up too often in limited.
October 11, 2015 9:24 a.m.
I think that it is possible because Zendikar is a "lands matter" set. But also, as you point out we'll have a lot of fetches and a lot of dual lands in standard at that point.
October 11, 2015 9:31 a.m.
MagicalHacker says... #13
The reason you see the watermark thingy is cause they were reprinted in VMA (Vintage Masters).
October 11, 2015 10:12 a.m.
Any ideas for Expeditions for Oath then? We'll likely see manlands, but what else?
October 11, 2015 10:39 a.m.
GreenGhost says... #15
I'd like to see checklands as expeditions personally.
October 11, 2015 11:23 a.m.
First, I do not expect them to print the enemy Battle/tango lands. Wizard's goal is to balance mana in Standard, not complete cycles in a set. Plus having 10 fetchable duals would turn Standard into a bunch of good stuff decks and Bring to Light will become a $15-$20 card.
Second, I feel like the 20 expeditions are the 10 man-lands and the 10 filter lands (Flooded Grove and friends). But the checklands wouldn't be a bad choice either. Though I feel some of the names will be too similar (Godless Shrine is essentially an Isolated Chapel).
October 11, 2015 11:50 a.m.
There WILL be expeditions in Oath. They will most lilely not, however, be fetches or shocks.
October 11, 2015 12:09 p.m.
Check lands from innistrad.
Bounce lands / karoo lands from original RTR? and then 5 more tango lands?
October 11, 2015 12:12 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #19
it's been confirmed that it will be 20 expeditions in oath; which kind of encourages no enemy tangos. Unless wizards does something weird and we get 5 tangos and the 5 Future sight lands that don't have cycles around them. but more likely it'll be manlands and either checks or filters. I would assume filters because they're more valuable and staple ish than checks.
October 11, 2015 12:59 p.m.
CastleSiege says... #20
I'm fairly confident we will get the 10 manlands and the 10 filter lands as Expeditions in Oath.
October 11, 2015 1:13 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #21
10 Manlands5 added TangosThe other five I'm not sure about. The futuresight 5 would blow up the internet.
October 11, 2015 2:47 p.m.
MagicalHacker says... #22
Personally, I'd be very disappointed if they didn't finish the cycle, especially cause they're fetchable.
October 11, 2015 7:12 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #23
I'd be disappointed if we didn't finish the cycle some time soon, but just doing it in the spring block would keep mana good in standard without breaking standard's mana. fetches/tangos is pretty good, and with the power of wedge cards from khans we don't want to give wedges perfect mana in standard.
October 11, 2015 10:47 p.m.
RedDiomedes says... #24
Fetches cycle out in 6 months. At some point I wonder if we will get the enemy fetches. Otherwise we will have the tango lands for months with no way to fetch them which seems to be more than half of what makes them good
October 12, 2015 5:13 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #25
First, the chances that WotC shall reprint the original dual lands in Oath of the Gatewatch are next to none, since those cards are on the reserved list, and thus can never be reprinted. Second, even if WotC ever does abolish the RL, they shall definitely not reprint those lands in a standard- or modern-legal set, because they are too powerful; they shall be printed only in products designed for legacy and vintage formats.
I believe that it is very likely that WotC shall print "tangolands" (is that the name that most players are now using?) in the enemy-colored combinations in the next set, since they are at least attempting to support all ten two-color combinations equally, and I really would like to get such lands for my red/white and red/blue decks. That shall be five of the remaining twenty expedition lands, leaving fifteen more whose identities are still unknown. I personally would like for ten of those lands to be the "filter lands" from Shadowmoor and Eventide, because they have never been reprinted, but I notice that the twenty-five lands that have been revealed, thus far either have basic lands types or can search for lands with those types, so I expect that the remaining lands shall have some form of synergy with each other, as well.
October 12, 2015 10:29 p.m.
Fleetwood-Mat says... #26
I think the missing 5 piece set of lands for the Expeditions will most likely be the Future Sight land cycle (Grove of the Burnwillows, River of Tears, Nimbus Maze, etc...) and the reason I foresee this being the case is because you will have enemy colour new duals (the ones that haven't been printed yet), most likely all the man lands (full 10 land cycle), and 5 others (and they have to be ally coloured because the new duals will be enemy colour for sure).
October 16, 2015 2:03 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #27
tangos are not only good because they are fetchable, that's the only reason they're worth considering for modern. They're much better than temples for any kind of aggressive deck, and strictly better than gates.
October 16, 2015 2:23 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #29
okay, I used strictly better very barely incorrectly. for the sense of "playing the lands to get colors" they are strictly better.
October 16, 2015 11:15 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #32
I am very displeased that WotC shall be printing yet another cycle of taplands that are very boring and uninteresting. Would it really have been that difficult for them to have printed five enemy-colored "battle lands," instead? If not that, why not print five enemy-colored taplands, or even reprint the cycle of refuges from the first Zendikar block? Will not two cycles of allied-colored lands in the same block cause an imbalance in favor of those color combinations by not providing sufficient support for enemy-colors?
Also, WotC is wasting cool names on poor cards, in my mind, which shall make it more difficult to conceive cool names for awesome lands, whenever they actually print such lands.
December 28, 2015 11:34 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #33
makes mana too good with fetches and 10 battlelands in standard
December 29, 2015 11:28 a.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #34
asasinater13: what is wrong with mana being "too good," to use your words?
December 29, 2015 3:38 p.m.
RedDiomedes says... #35
Tangolands are strictly worse than shock lands though
December 29, 2015 3:41 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #36
multi-color decks are meant to be a challenge and have some amount of drawback compared to mono-colored decks. It's why red decks are usually viable, they have the opporunity to come out and hit people faster and with more consistency than other decks. Giving a format perfect mana takes away from the complexity of designing a mana base, which lowers overall format diversity and removes a lot of the drawback of a multi-colored deck.
December 29, 2015 11:18 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #37
No they aren't. To be strictly worse, they have to be worse in every situation. That clearly isn't the case here.
December 30, 2015 10:35 p.m.
RedDiomedes says... #38
Yes the strict definition is tricky here since the battlelands scry lands and shock lands are not directly comparable.
Still nearly every modern deck I can think of right now would rather sacrifice 2 life to guarantee the mana it needs than risk being slower. Failing to answer a threat in modern is worth more than two life.
December 31, 2015 8:46 a.m.
asasinater13 says... #39
I prefer battle lands in G/R scapeshift, and also in Emeria control.
December 31, 2015 1:26 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #40
Yup, in most cases shocks are preferable to the Tangolands, but not always. If I'm just running two colours, and have plenty of basic lands, a Tangoland is going to be better once I have two basics on the battlefield, for example.
Are Shocks better than Tangos? Yes, absolutely. But are they 'strictly better'? Absolutely not.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #2
No, Wizards is not going to reprint the dual lands. Especially not in this block, since we just got pseudo-dual lands. I assume it's just gatherer's way of presenting things.
October 11, 2015 7:53 a.m.