Official Spoiler Thread: Oath Of The Gatewatch
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Posted on Dec. 3, 2015, 5:58 p.m. by ChiefBell
Official Spoiler Thread.
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FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #2
January 3, 2016 2:08 p.m.
Kill shot is better for flavor, strictly because of the flavor text on the card. ;P
January 3, 2016 2:17 p.m.
Killshot is obviously better flavor. The Mardu Archers shoot down the mighty non-trio Eldrazi just because they can! :P
January 3, 2016 2:32 p.m.
It is practically impossible that Goblin Guide will ever be printed into another standard-legal set. Maybe in a Modern Masters or a duel deck.
January 3, 2016 3:31 p.m.
AgentGreen says... #6
Going back to the last UR, Gidion isn't dead; if you look at Remorseless Punishment; you can see Gideion, Nissa and Jace getting their asses beaten by Ob. So it looks like Chandra is going to come in and save all of them
January 3, 2016 3:35 p.m.
DarkLaw - Ya, Goblin Guide is probably too good, Inquisition of Kozilek could see a standard reprint though.
January 3, 2016 3:41 p.m.
you guys arguing about wastes are overthinking it way too much. colorless already exists and now we finally have a new symbol for something that already is in the game. its not a new land type there are tones of lands that produce generic mana but not an actual color its nothing new. so what? lore wise eldrazi already only are colorless so if they destroy some land and now its a wast that no longer produces color how is that a problem in any way. nothing is changing aside from adding a symbol that should have been added a decade ago
January 3, 2016 5:17 p.m.
RedDiomedes says... #10
It is different. It he last the rules would have allowed kozilek the great distortion to be cast for 10 mountains. Now the rules mean he can be up to 8 mountains and 2 sources of colourless. So wastes or pain lands of some sort are necessary. In the past colourless cards could fit in literally any deck. Now they require some thought. In the case of kozilek by the time you have 10 mana you probably have something. In the case of distortions that cost 2 mana the diamond symbol acts as a serious limitation to cast it by turn 2 in the wrong deck.
January 3, 2016 6:56 p.m.
TheNextRedDude says... #11
RedDiomedes The problem with that logic is, it goes against the basic rules of mana. Of course you need certain types of mana to cast certain spells. Why not complain that everyone can't play Snappy because of that pesky raindrop symbol?
January 3, 2016 7:01 p.m.
Nightdragon779 says... #12
The lgs will have wastes in their land piles right? Cuz it would be a pain in draft if I have to draft wastes just so I can play my deck
January 3, 2016 7:06 p.m.
TheNextRedDude says... #13
Nightdragon779 I don't think so. However, Wastes are twice as common was commons so it shouldn't be a problem.
January 3, 2016 7:07 p.m.
For draft it was said that you will need to draft the wastes to be able to use them.
January 3, 2016 7:23 p.m.
essentially, while colorless isn't another color, it should be treated as one for deck building. Don't try to play colorless cards in your 4 or 5 color decks, maybe not even in 3 color decks. My friend has a Green Eldrazi deck that I can't call mono green so we call it GC Drazi, with the C standing for colorless
January 3, 2016 7:56 p.m.
RedDiomedes says... #18
How did what I say go against the basic rules of mana. They have refined and changed the rules. A 4/4 for RU2 is worse than a a 4/4 for 4. The latter can be played in any deck at any time there is 4 mana. The former requires 2 specific requirements be met.
Now they have updated the rules. When wizards feels it's necessary they can make diamond part of a colourless creatures cost and limit him from some decks. In zendikar they achieved this by creating devoid cards that still had coloured costs. Eldrazi are colourless but they realized that being able to put absolutely any eldrazi card in any deck was too strong.
Colourless is not new colour! Their are significant rule implication differences. Diamond mana costs however do now make a new casting limitation similar to how. Colours used to work
January 3, 2016 8:03 p.m.
RedDiomedes they actually have not changed a single rule. all they have done, is clarify the difference between generic and colorless mana, a difference that has existed for as long as those types of mana have.
They HAVE however, changed the symbol for colorless mana; it has always existed as a concept, but the symbol was the same as the generic mana one. it is essentially the same idea as replacing "cannot be targeted by spells or abilities your opponents control" with "hexproof", except on an even more fundamental level. it does the same thing it has always done. <> has is simply a fundamental mechanic being differentiated from 
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January 3, 2016 10:55 p.m.
MurderHood says... #20
New blue card: Whelming Denial? - 2UU Instant - Rare Surge - UU If Whelming Denial is cast for its surge cost it can not be countered. Counter target spell.
January 4, 2016 12:52 a.m.
Amazeballs! What a great EDH card. This is exactly what I needed for Zedruu mwahahaha.
This is perfect as my store is starting a commander league late this month to...
January 4, 2016 1:31 a.m.
Also I love that it says "F off Spell Snare and Remand!" I mean sure those decks can just play this, but I think it's better in non-tempo oriented control decks.
January 4, 2016 1:34 a.m.
Crap that new card looks great. Especially if paired with a one cmc instant so you can get an uncounted able Counterspell plus something small for three mana. Plus, the art is sweet. Want me some foils.
January 4, 2016 1:51 a.m.
RedDiomedes what your saying is invalid> all lands that produce generic mana now have that symbol oracle wise and will for reprints, just look at the expedition spoilers. generic mana has been a part of magic since day one and having a spell require that mana isnt exactly mind blowing. saying how the old rules would effect Kozilek, the Great Distortion is just a ludicrous argument, there are no rules that have changed; colorless has always existed and now there is a spell where you need it. there is no change.
January 4, 2016 2:05 a.m.
do you guys know the context for the flavor text on overwhelming denial?
January 4, 2016 3:34 a.m.
tempest - MTGS likes to make up flavor text for the foreign spoiled cards. They had the flavor text of Magus of the Wheel as "I'd like to buy an AE." - Jaya Ballard. And it pissed off some guy.
January 4, 2016 3:51 a.m.
I want that card just for the flavour text alone.
edit: oh wait it's not real :c
January 4, 2016 4:21 a.m. Edited.
Once again, odds are that is the fake flavor text made by whomever mocked up the card.
January 4, 2016 4:23 a.m.
I think it's playable. How hard is it to Dispel / Anticipate in the same turn?
January 4, 2016 4:56 a.m.
I want to use it with Gut Shot in modern...oh the look of surprise! Bonus points if the Gut Shot actually takes down a Pestermite.
January 4, 2016 5:52 a.m.
Embodiment of Insight
4G
Creature - Elemental
Vigilance
Land creatures you control have vigilance.
Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may have target land you control become a 3/3 Elemental creature with haste until end of turn. It's still a land.
4/4
January 4, 2016 7:51 a.m.
RedDiomedes says... #37
I don't know why this is such a hard concept to agree on. We have always had generic mana costs and we have always had the rule colourless. However in the past colourless cards were costed generically.
Ugin is a colourless planeswalker. However you can pay for him with 8 mountains or plains or any combination of the five colours of with 8 painlands and take no pain! Now colourless cards sometimes specifically call for a colourless source of mana. It's a new rule, or rule update if you prefer specific to the start of gate watch.
Its certainly different to how colourless cards have been represented in the past. Hangarback is costed generically as are all artifacts. Diamond costs will effect deckbuilding! 5 shamans of forgotten ways could tap for mana to cast Ulamog. They can't tap to cast Kozilek on their own. Between Khan fetchlands and battlelands I seldom run pain lands any more but could still throw in Ullamog into the deck. Not so with kozilek.
Generic costs are not generic mana! Until oath of the gatewatch the difference was essentially irrelevant however. Colourless is not a new colour, the very definition defines that! However with diamond costs it acts like one for all intents and purposes!
We have spells that only target or counter coloured, specific coloured or colourless cards. We have cards that cost W, U, B, R, G , generic and now colourless mana.
January 4, 2016 7:54 a.m.
Colorless is not a new rule, it already existed. It is just being included in costs from now on.
January 4, 2016 8:01 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #40
This card is actually insane, definitely modern playable.
January 4, 2016 8:05 a.m.
fluffybunnypants - Last Word doesn't see play, this probably won't either.
January 4, 2016 8:15 a.m.
Modern decks might pick Overwhelming Denial over Counterflux, but I doubt that it will see serious play.
January 4, 2016 8:15 a.m.
Kjartan -Last Word also doesn't cost 
when you're protecting one of your own spells.
My only complaint about the new counterspell? Why make a Last Word variant with Sphinx of the Final Word in the set? It doesn't make that much sense to me...
Aside: I want to know how much, if any, progress Femme_Fatale and friends have made on the card file. I'm going to guess not a lot since I haven't seen an OGW card that works yet. Keep trucking along guys!
January 4, 2016 8:18 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #45
@ Kjartan
Exactly what JWiley129 said.
It's a very offensive counterspell and I can see Twin playing it to protect their combo, it may not be a 4-of, but it will see play.
January 4, 2016 8:41 a.m.
Ah, I get it, I thought Surge only worked in two headed giant.
January 4, 2016 9:16 a.m.
Sifter of souls feels....boring to me. I can't quite place why it does, but it does. I'm also getting a little tired of having so many 4-mana decent-but-probably-not-standard-playable eldrazi.
Of course, I understand that for design purposes they can't all be huge, but still. Maybe I'm just jaded.
January 4, 2016 9:16 a.m.
AgentGreen says... #49
Lots of good cards
Yet nothing on ingest or process.
January 4, 2016 9:41 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #50
Sifter of Skulls seems like a really nice (and possibly broken) top end in the standard aristocrats deck. I think it's going to see major play in that archtype at least. It looks like a better (or at least similar) payoff than Smothering Abomination.
Argy says... #1
Kill Shot isn't strictly worse than Immolating Glare as it doesn't require a Creature to tap in order to kill it.
That means it can destroy Creatures with Vigilance, which Immolating Glare cannot.
January 3, 2016 2:05 p.m.