OGW over-hyped!!!!!!!!
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Posted on Jan. 19, 2016, 1:26 p.m. by ldrago626
does anyone else think that oath of the gatewatch is being over-hyped?
Eldrazi decks are about to be the bane of everybody's existence.
Ultimate Price was fun while it lasted.
January 19, 2016 1:36 p.m.
Every Magic set is over-hyped. It's just that so few actually live up to the hype.
Also, it may be that OGW may not be for you. And that's OK.
January 19, 2016 1:40 p.m.
Do you know, were Innistrad and original Zen overhyped, JWiley129? I know they are well loved sets and I wasn't unto magic to after Dark ascension's prerelease.
January 19, 2016 1:56 p.m.
NecroPony - I didn't play during those sets, so I can't speak about them.
January 19, 2016 1:58 p.m.
I would say "no"
As previously stated the set gave basically every format some new toys.
Also cthultu. You cannot overhype the old gods!
January 19, 2016 4:13 p.m.
Yes this set is garbage gave 0 formats outside maybe edh anything it ididnt already have or anything it needed and is very much overhyped.
January 19, 2016 5:13 p.m.
Ok I will admit there are things that CAN be played in standard and might do decently well but nothing overly exciting and thats honestly it
January 19, 2016 5:33 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #13
It literally spawned an entire new archetype in Modern that's currently making a push for Tier 1-1.5, not to mention making Delver stronger. It's the dream of collectors and people who just want to spiff their deck. Allies finally got a commander (and the other guys look pretty nice too). It gave us the new and improved Rhino for standard. Hell, its impact was so strong it changed one of the base rules for EDH.
Oh yeah, and the flavor is dripping from most of those cards.
I would call that a success.
January 19, 2016 5:39 p.m. Edited.
Compared to BFZ I'm pretty damn satisfied. Modern, EDH, awesome expeditions, nice art and cool new angle for mtg, I really enjoyed it.
January 19, 2016 5:40 p.m.
We're just ignoring the fact that the black Edlrazi list just became infinitely more dangerous in Modern.
Eye of Ugin + Thought-Knot Seer
Pretty much any Eldrazi you can think of in a deck with Eldrazi Temple + Eye of Ugin just got really scary.
January 19, 2016 5:41 p.m.
I mean let me just emphasize the idea of a three drop 5/5 that only needs two lands with Trample and Haste and takes two cards to kill.
Like... Run... now.
January 19, 2016 5:43 p.m.
First OGW did not spawn the eldrazi archetype BFZ did assuming that is waht you are talking about FAMOUSWATERMELON. I have no idea what you are talking about with "delver" which delver? UR, grixis, temur? Modern legacy? and what cards improved it? Ally commander? sure thats neat I did say commander got some stuff. And new and IMPROVED rhino? Surely you are not talking about Sylvan Advocate and if not that then the Reality Smasher ? Both are worse just look at Woodland Wanderer. Even the expeditions are worse than BFZ oh joy tec edge and dust bowl even WASTELAND had 4 other promo printings so its not like it needed other ones. The only good ones are the filter lands and maybe Strip Mine. So no I have not seen anything that has done anything for any format that it didnt already have. TMBRLZ you definitely have some good points Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple are very powerful with all the new eldrazi cards coming out but with so many powerful removal spells like Path to Exile and Terminate and even bolt for the 2 drop guy I dont know if these will see that big of a splash as you may think.
January 19, 2016 6:01 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #18
BFZ may have spawned the archetype, but OGW was the set that made it competitive because of the cards above. Modern Vial Delver got Stormchaser Mage. The new Nissa is apparently very good in Rock decks. Manlands are never bad news. Goblin Dark-Dwellers is perfectly fine in the format as well.
The new Rhino is of course Reality Smasher. It requires less colors, has pseudo-hexproof, haste, and a body that wins the mirror. I would call that an improvement, at least in Standard.
The Expeditions are a matter of opinion. They're more for collectors anyways, or people who want to spiff up their decks. And the art on most of them is beautiful.
I've even seen some decent success with Hedron Alignment online Legacy. It's definitely nowhere near S&T, but it can compete against a surprising amount of decks.
I'm not sure what you want at this point. This is without a doubt the strongest set since KTK, and before that RTR. It has an insane amount of flavor in it. You can't expect everything to be as powerful as the old Zendikar block either, but I think this did a great job in all categories.
January 19, 2016 6:11 p.m.
CastleSiege says... #19
The set is really fun in limited and it adds a ton to modern EDH and vintage. I think it's a success.
January 19, 2016 6:16 p.m.
Oath is a breath of fresh air after the garbage that was Fate Reforged, Dragons of Tarkir, and BFZ. Sure, Origins was fine, but not exciting. This set is awesome, and even more so considering it's a small set.
January 19, 2016 6:17 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON You do realize that all of the price increases, tournament results, and hype about this powerful new deck all came before OGW so the archetype will POTENTIALLY be improved, sure, but no it did not spawn it and it is not what made it competitive that is just a fact. Ok modern vial delver? I have personally never heard of that maybe its an online thing that has been doing well? Idk but it sounds a little janky which is fine but making that one archetype of many slightly better that I have not seen put up results is not particularly impressive. Yes reality smasher takes less colors but also needs COLORLESS which is honestly sometimes harder to incorporate into some decks than a whole other color. It is definitely a decent card but until Crackling Doom and siege rhino leave the format I dont see it doing much. I agree with you on the expeditions just from opinions I have collected people seem to dislike these more than the BFZ ones. Hedron alignment is cool yeah but I dont see that like improving or dominating legacy anytime soon, maybe im wrong. What I wanted at this point ESPECIALLY as the poster child for this new fancy shmancy 2 block standard is better sets. It just seems like instead of 2 good sets and a garbage one in between they just made 2 in between ones that dont affect the current standard. Is it so much to ask for cards that just do well in current standard? We are still all playing siege rhino and jeskai black sure theres gideon but thats one card. I dont think any of these cards will be that powerful until the good sets rotate and then even then it seems like the shinier of two turds scenario.
January 19, 2016 6:29 p.m.
Why has no one brought up Thought-Knot Seer? That card is straight broken in eldrazi decks! And as for the new eldrazi archetypes,its more than just a maybe that OGW will male it more competitive,if you look at the list with just BFZ cards you can tell they had a ton of filler cards,this archetype is going to be insane after OGW is released!
January 19, 2016 6:51 p.m.
seuvius someone did bring it up and yeah its definitely a good card for that deck although sometimes inquisition and thoughtseize are better so they might not just jam 4 right away. There are definitely cards they can play from OGW but not stuff they didnt already have.
January 19, 2016 6:56 p.m.
I'd honestly have to disagree,not trying to be a dick but thought-knots are a mandatory 4 of in the deck and will replace Kozilek's Channeler he becomes a better vendillion clique in the deck that only costs one. Reality Smasher is another huge one, a 5/5 with trample/haste the takes two cards to get rid of for potentially 1 mana is fucking nuts! The new kozilek has potential as a one of but he doesn't seem as mandatory as the others,more about preference I suppose. I've been playing mine with temporary proxies of the OGW cards and the deck is going to be CRAZY!
January 19, 2016 7:35 p.m.
I will definitely agree that there are some filler cards like the channeler where those cards will replace quite nicely. I just think that inquisition and thoughtseize on turn 1 and not 3 are just too important
January 19, 2016 7:47 p.m.
Im not saying that those wont be played but I dont think they are just insane broken upgrades
January 19, 2016 7:48 p.m.
Well in the eldrazi decks they are but outside of them they are good but definitely not broken. But Im also extremely stoked on the fact that eldrazi decks are a thing now in modern so I could be a little too hyped but I do think these cards will make the deck great.
January 19, 2016 8 p.m.
I like that eldrazi are a thing I am just not a fan of the smaller eldrazi and all this aggro haste shenanigans I prefer the big (kozilek) the bad (ulamog) and the ugly (spaghettikul).
January 19, 2016 8:05 p.m.
Same here (which is why I love tron) but a turn 4 Reality Smasher with an Eldrazi Conscription is great!
January 19, 2016 8:11 p.m.
I wouldnt call the B(x) Eldrazi decks a new archetype, they are basically a tron dog with a different collar. still qualifies as "something" new, I guess...
the mechanics introduced in Oath are frankly gimmicky, plain and uninteresting. support? cohort? surge? ummmmm....yeap, confirmed, R&D ran out of original ideas last decade
the amount and level of cards for eternal formats is as bad as usual, so ogw gets neither thumbs up nor down here.
and other than that, expeditions is the n-th money sucker from wotc, and anyone should get their head examined if they find that appealing, they might have just overdosed on kool aid.
all in all, better than BFZ, but even having your head chopped by an axe-wielding maniac is better than BFZ anyway, so when the bar is SO SO FUCKING LOW, its almost impossible to not improve. I wouldnt call it a ressounding success tho...
January 20, 2016 7:58 a.m.
arcdevil The eldrazi decks are MUCH different then tron decks in so many ways. Just because both decks play big creatures doesn't mean its the same archetype,in fact eldrazi decks have a few different iterations at the moment that range from grindy midrange to all in aggro.
As for the mechanics I would have to agree with you although it doesn't really bother me because there are quite a few great cards that will be played outside of standard unlike what you believe. There are quite a few cards that will see modern play,obviously quite a few that will be used in commander and there is even a card the will see some fringe play in legacy.
OGW is a great set and is going to be worth the hype. Usually the hype dies down after a set is spoiled and people can start judging the cards but people are still stoked about this set for a reason.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #2
No. It gave Modern a lot of new toys, Vintage and Legacy Expeditions, EDH some sweet generals, and Standard a fun powerful environment for when Khans rotates. I think it was a very good success on Wizards' part.
January 19, 2016 1:36 p.m.