Potential info on new lands and new spoilers
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Posted on Aug. 8, 2015, 7:26 p.m. by EmblemMan
Ok so my friend got a spoiler from his friend that got leaked. I dont have a source so you can call me fake until its officially spoiled but we found out what the new lands are. First I would like to mention in the spoiler there are new man lands the only one that we saw was a BW one for 3 mana he becomes a 2/3 lifelink...woo...Now for the new lands, they are fetchable dual lands that only come in untapped if you control 2 or more basics which is interesting and new so it would make sense. There was also a SICK new ulamog that exiles 2 permanenets when he is cast he is a 10/10 for 10 indestructible and when he attacks he exiles the top 20 cards of your opponents library. Thoughts?
branflakes20 says... #3
My friend's dad works at Magic and he told me they're reprinting Black Lotus.
August 8, 2015 7:31 p.m.
I mean honestly you can but the only thing that seems far fetched is the ulamog and I could have heard him wrong the lands make sense new underpowered man lands make sense and the fetchable dual that is honestly underpowered outside of standard is NEW and makes sense.
August 8, 2015 7:35 p.m.
Also a 10/10 for 10 indestructable who exiles 2 on cast and exiles top 20 is stupidly OP given how current Ulamog is 11 mana for a 10/10 indestructible who destroys 1 perm and annihilates 4.
August 8, 2015 7:36 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #7
Just going to subscribe, not 100% believable unless proof can be shown.
Also I would absolutely love both the fetchable duals and the ulamog if this is true. Very very powerful, and always love EDH playables.
August 8, 2015 7:48 p.m.
I mean everyone can disbelieve thats fine Ill get the source that my friend had tomorrow but I would think the lands would bring about better or more discussion than what people have been thinking of randomly in their mind, like flippable lands.....
August 8, 2015 7:51 p.m.
Mostly posting to subscribe to this and see where it goes. My two cents: Something about the land info seems off. I'm not questioning your integrity and saying you're a fake, but both enemy colored man lands and enemy colored dual lands seem like rare lands. I'm not super up on my history of sets, so I have no idea if there's a precedent for it, but ten rare slots taken up by lands seems unlikely, even if Zendikar is all about lands... Though I'd love both of those types of lands if they do exist.
August 8, 2015 8:05 p.m.
Given how much Wizards hates Annihilator this new Ulamog might just be true.
August 8, 2015 8:57 p.m.
GreenGhost says... #15
Check the original zendikar, there were 10 rare lands in it.
August 8, 2015 10:01 p.m.
If there's truth to this, they would probably do the allies of these duals and the enemy man lands in the first set with the enemies of these duals in the second set of the block
August 8, 2015 10:05 p.m.
And the allied fetchable duals would make sense in conjunction with the fact that the allied Fetches themselves, being in Khans, rotating out... they don't want that kinda appeal to a certain group of color combinations. It also has a very flavorful ability for the Zendikar setting; lands that get better when there are more lands seems plausible, especially along with Landfall, which is only bound to come back. There are sure to be plenty of cards that cheat (basic) lands into play, after all.
As for the Ulamog, you have to have heard something wrong. I don't care if he's the only Titan left on Zendikar, that's stupid powerful. I mean... make him cost 
or 
and make it exile the top 10 and that'd balance him out a little. I mean, look at the already existing Ulamog, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre. That's an example of power creep if I've ever seen one...
August 8, 2015 10:26 p.m.
Oh I forgot to mention the one dual land that was fetchable that was spoiled was UW which would mean they match with the fetches which would make sense and them making 10 rare lands fits with what I saw since the man lands were rare as well.
August 8, 2015 10:36 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #19
"forgot to mention"
not helping your credibility out much. do you have any sort of source to where this person got this information from, besides just an "insider tip"?
August 8, 2015 10:57 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #21
Ya know, my uncle, Rose Watermarks, also told me about these fetchable lands. They're all enemy colored and they're all absolute trash aside from the GB one, which turns into a 2/2 with "When this attacks, search your library for target lhurgoyf and put it on the field". Lhurgoyf tribal? Tarmo Reprint? Rose says yes. He knows best, as he works at Wizerds.
August 9, 2015 1:09 a.m.
EmblemMan I can tell that you truly believe this information to be true. Here's the breakdown of where your source is coming from.
- Us < You.
- You < Your Friend.
- Your Friend < Your Friend's Friend.
- Your Friend's Friend < Unknown.
As far as you know, you're only obligated to believe the information given to you because it was told to you by your friend. Since you've experienced the exchange of that information, it is up to you to judge whether or not he sincerely believed in that information himself. Your friend is only obligated to believe the information told to him because his friend told him, and since you were not present for the exchange of the information at that time, you can't possibly know the sincerity of your friend's friend's beliefs, the body language he displayed, whether his eyes were looking down to the right, or up to the right. That information is more vital that you might think.
Since I cannot possibly know the sincerity of your friend's friend's believes, or that person's source, let alone whether or not that person's source is legitimate, I have absolutely no logical reason to believe any of this is true. Others here should follow suit.
August 9, 2015 1:14 a.m.
Why can't we just entertain the thought of it being new? I honestly don't understand why we have to shoot him down for wanting to share something with us, even if it might be fake. And from previous posts, he doesn't seem like one to troll anyways.
August 9, 2015 1:56 a.m.
Ok I understand why you guys dont believe me and thats fine I dont have the source because I didnt wanna go up to the store and ask my friend for it he has a source and no theres no way to know whether its completely legit or not. HOWEVER, did I say ANYWHERE in my post that this is the land that it IS legit or that this is a fact? No I only wanted to bring about the idea to incite REAL discussion on the lands saying "Oh maybe the lands will flip like the planeswalkers in origins" is completely unrealistic. Honestly this is just a definitive source of how people on this forum are either its from mark rosewaters mouth or ITS COMPLETELY UNTRUE AND YOU SHOULD GO DIE. People are waayyy to cynical about custom cards and spoilers and deck construction. Its a game, not the stock market, not your job, and not at all life threatening if someone is wrong. I have ZERO intention or benefit if I lie to you about the lands NOR did I say you should believe me or that any of it is fact. Its just a clear example of why this forum and website are avoided by a lot of people in the community. The website is great the community has elitist issues and cant allow for people to have any kind of ideals or creative thinking unless its subjectively right or objectively right. Whatever thats just my little rant I am not upset I am just saying in the end that kind of attitude is going to ruin this website.
August 9, 2015 2 a.m.
army88strong says... #25
Subbing to see where this rabbit hole goes. I honestly can't see the Eldrazi being right. It seems WAAAYYY too good. Also, I am withholding judgement on the lands until I see some actual proof. For now, I wanna call it fake but won't. Fetchable duals does seem like a new design but at the same time, it doesn't. We'll see
August 9, 2015 2:24 a.m.
EmblemMan- so they're kinda like checklands except you need two basics, which means the colors don't even need to correspond like Rootbound Crag? the ulamog seems a bit farfetched though. theres gotta be a downside if they print ulamog with those abilities
August 9, 2015 2:47 a.m.
tempest Exactly its a fetchable dual like a shock land except the stipulation for comming in untapped is that you need 2 basics in play. I am pretty sure it was any basic land being in play but it has to be a basic land not basic land type so shocks do not count for that. I realize the ulamog is far fetched I didnt actually look at the card I only glanced at the dual and the man land. Ill ask him for his source tomorrow and truly check it out like I said I just wanted to put this idea of these lands in peoples minds because they are interesting Ideas and they make sense. Right colors, "new" mechanic, good in standard bad in eternal formats, works well with land fall etc.
August 9, 2015 2:56 a.m.
SpartanCEL says... #28
A reverse Blackcleave Cliffs is completely believable
Exiling 20 seems a little to much imo
August 9, 2015 9:23 a.m.
Let's assume that there exists such a card as the new Ulamog.
For visual purposes, here's a reproduction made on MSE.
A lot of people are saying that exiling 20 cards off the top of the opponent's library isn't reasonable. They're saying that it's too powerful. I wouldn't agree with that. Wouldn't it take two hits of that to kill you anyway? How many hits from an Eldrazi do you expect it to take for you to lose? How many hits from the previous Ulamog does it usually take for you to lose, as you're constantly sacrificing four permanents.
Look at the new Oblivion Sower. (I'm sure you've all seen this on mythicspoiler, and I don't need to make a case as to how this is actually real. It obviously is.)
He seems to have natural synergy with this ability, because he'll bring out all of the lands that player has in exile, not just ones from the four he exiled.
Does Sneak and Show even twitch and eye to this new ulamog? No. Exiling the top 20 cards of an opponent's library doesn't even come close to the power of making them sacrifice 6 permanents. Annihilator is so much stronger than whatever this new ability is, it's not even comparable. By turn 5, the common deck will have gotten down to about 42-44 cards in their library (on average). That means that a sneak and show player would possibly have to hit them 3 times with the new Ulamog.
In EDH, it could take as many as 4 hits to really make your victory certain, whereas one resolution of annihilator is usually strong enough to warrant a concede, if not the second. I'm not saying always, I'm saying most of the time.
The more powerful ability on him is exiling two permanents. That's very powerful. That's what makes this card even playable. Without that ability, this card wouldn't even be good. It'd be a bulk mythic for maybe $3-5.
How does this card stand at 10 mana instead of what you might expect to be 11 or 12? Meh. It's not that much of a difference. 10 isn't as different from 11 as 1 is different from 2 or 2 is different than 3. While mana matters on cards between 1 and 5 mana, 6 mana is where cards can start becoming broken without it mattering too much. There are the exceptions, of course, that go a little bit too far, like Mind's Desire, Yawgmoth's Bargain, Time Spiral etc. Perhaps these cards weren't quite ready to be 6 mana and should have been higher. My point is that once you get up to 10 mana, you're not really slowing anyone down to a point that it matters by changing this mana cost to 11 or 12. Do I think Emrakul, the Aeons Torn could exist as a 14-drop? Yeah. A 13-drop... maybe. A 12-drop. Probably not. Before you discredit this idea based solely on the power-level of this newly purposed Ulamog, stop and think for a second that the people who purposedly designed this new Ulamog are the same people who thought it was okay to print Treasure Cruise. These are the same people who printed Delver of Secrets Flip. These are the same people who printed Jace, the Mind Sculptor. Would you really put this past them? I only choose not to believe these cards because the source is untrustworthy. The power level of this new ulamog didn't sway me in the slightest.
August 9, 2015 12:47 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #30
It could essentially mean put the top 20 cards in the graveyard rather than exile and in that sense it's more probable.
August 9, 2015 2:18 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #31
And here is just some random thoughts: original eldrazi had you sacrifice permanents which would fit the battlefield scenario, if the eldrazi are fighting planeswalkers on bfz wouldn't attacking our library by milling us essentially be attacking a planeswalker "us the player". On another note if that is the case I'd like to see more mill to make more competitive in modern. Keep in mind I'm neutral on these topics and these are just my opinions.
August 9, 2015 2:25 p.m.
I feel that, given Oblivion Sower as a starting point, it makes much more sense to exile rather than mill.
August 9, 2015 2:30 p.m.
EmblemMan, couldn't have said it better myself. Too much of what I call smug nerd syndrome on this site. The site itself is a great tool for anyone that loves deck building but I have almost completely withdrawn myself from commenting on here because there are too many assholes.
As for the info you provided, I'll just say thanks for sharing and hope that there is some truth to it :)
August 9, 2015 2:33 p.m.
Harashiohorn says... #34
I believe the lands because its not really what anyone asked for but is new. Come on what do we have to do for a grove cycle. As for the Ulamog all you need to do is stick the designer of Blightsteel Colossus and Jace, the Mind Sculptor in the same room and this becomes inevitable. All said we'll have to see, but this is the best we've gotten so far insofar as rumors/ideas go.
August 15, 2015 11:53 a.m.
TheNextRedDude says... #36
I feel like the lands could be real, and now that i think about it, the ulamog isn't out of the question, it's a bit broken, but lots of sets have a few broken cards.
On an unrelated note, was Jace TMS only good cause of his first three abilities, or did the ultimate ever make a difference? I don't imagine it did, but I'm curious.
August 16, 2015 8:27 a.m.
@-Logician: I have to agree with your sentiment...I'm reading this thread and wondering about the people calling it OP. Like...are we even playing the same game? I'd rather exile the top 20 cards of my library than sacrifice 4 permanents while being attacked by a 10/10 that's going to kill me in two turns.
August 16, 2015 8:37 a.m.
TheNextRedDude says... #38
It is slightly OP, but only because if you block it a chunk of the library still gets blown up.
August 16, 2015 8:41 a.m.
The abilities on ulamog aren't too farfetched, but the numbers would probably need to be tweaked a bit, like exiling 2 permanents on cast and exiling 10 cards on attack. The enemy manlands also seem to be plausible, if a little awkward for the standard manabase. I'm not sold yet on the ally duals, since the last time wotc made new fetchable duals was back in ravnica block almost a decade ago.
August 16, 2015 10:28 a.m.
Didgeridooda says... #40
Those lands sound highly plausible to me.
Anything that uses the number 20 is a bit crazy in magic. Though tossing some cards off my deck is much better then crippling the game I have going on so far. I am excited for more interaction with exiled cards.
Overall, I would say highly likely that this info is at least close. It is along the lines of what I was expecting. Those lands would fit into some of my EDH decks for sure.
What other ways do you see cards interacting with those in exile? An eldrazi sorcery that casts all cards from exile would be cool.
August 16, 2015 4:35 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #41
All hail our Xilling lords!
ALL HAIL OUR XILLING LORDS!
August 17, 2015 6:19 a.m.
The way they made the awaken keyword work looks like we can expect man lands to be a thing in bfz. The new ulamog might have ingest 20, which would mean that the cards aren't exiled unless it connects, making it more balanced.
August 17, 2015 1:58 p.m.
That awkward moment when everyone bitched but OP was right on at least one thing he was called out on.
August 29, 2015 10:06 p.m.
That means that his source is reliable, which means that the lands are confirmed as well I'd assume. ENEMY MANLANDS HYPE!
August 29, 2015 10:07 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #49
As soon as I saw him, I thought of you EmblemMan. Thanks again for sharing your speculation with us.
August 29, 2015 10:18 p.m.
oh cool glad you guys remembered sorry i never got back to this post i went back to college and just kinda forgot. Anyway i appreciate anyone who apologized and I hope everyone learned a bit about judging posts
MollyMab says... #2
Cool story bro. Needs more dragons.
August 8, 2015 7:30 p.m.