Predictions For Tomorrow's Banlist Announcement?
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Posted on March 22, 2015, 5:46 p.m. by quesobueno123
Personally the only thing that I could see is maybe the rhino could get banned, but I hate it since I'm a burn player, so I'm biased.
" I don't consider infect a combo deck because it is completely willing to win over multiple turns in the same way as it is looking to do in the one turn." Twin pecks and if they combo off all the pecking means nothing, infect pecks and it adds if they decide to do a big turn. And I understand this because I play twin that way. Infect is pretty much an aggro deck with pump spells that plays by its own rules. When you quote something don't forget that context changes the meaning.
As for making twin shift in to Jeski colors, it will make people stop complaining that it is uninteractive because it is now an actual control deck. Besides that it makes twin remove blood moon from main deck.
March 22, 2015 8:02 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #3
i forgot about Sword of the Meek it seems so irrelevant to pretty much all strategies so i'd not be surprised if it did get unbanned and go the way of Bitterblossom and Golgari Grave-Troll
March 22, 2015 8:12 p.m.
CapnMooMoo says... #4
They won't unban Sword of the Meek because it has that combo with Thopter Factory.
March 22, 2015 8:19 p.m.
CapnMooMoo says... #7
Thanks vampirelazarus :D
I hope they unban Dig Through Time too, but I honestly doubt it after the scourge Delver became.
March 22, 2015 8:21 p.m.
The argument is that, that combo/interaction isn't strong enough to be ban worthy
March 22, 2015 8:22 p.m.
CapnMooMoo says... #10
I don't know about that, but infinite turns after you reach five mana with Time Sieve seems pretty unhealthy to the format.
March 22, 2015 8:24 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #11
Yes, because it won't get destroyed or countered or anything. :)
It even costs two!
March 22, 2015 8:27 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #12
sirbar i mean the only place it would fit is a control deck and even then they've probably got better things for the slots devoted to a 2 part combo that devours your mana
March 22, 2015 8:27 p.m.
Also the fact that all the combo pieces are artifacts which means only Abrupt Decay will keep this combo off the board and people are already complaining about abzan.
March 22, 2015 8:28 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #14
Or, you know, counterspells. Or the fact that the deck kind of has to limit itself to play those cards. I'm not saying it will be bad (it might actually be quite strong), but it's very easy to hate out.
March 22, 2015 8:29 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #15
Abrupt Decay Cryptic Command some lists can always add Reclamation Sage into mainboard and anyone who's expecting to face off vs affinity will have enough hate to say the combo sucks
March 22, 2015 8:30 p.m.
CrazyLittleGuy says... #18
@sirbar I didn't at all change the meaning. Twin is also "completely willing to win over multiple turns in the same way as it is looking to do in the one turn." That's the same meaning, just with more redundancy, but if you prefer it for clarity, then ok. Either way, whether or not you consider it a combo deck doesn't particularly matter if it's just a matter of semantics.
Either way, you must have misunderstood me about pushing Twin into UWR colors. My point isn't that the deck would be non-interactive, it's that there's no solid reason to move out of the UR shell even with a hypothetical Deceiver Exarch ban. Pestermite and Splinter Twin combos in the same way that Restoration Angel and Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker do, while costing less mana and being just as vulnerable to the same widely played removal/hate cards. Plus it allows you to retain Blood Moon tech, which is as of late the far-and-away best backup plan for Twin decks to win on the spot.
@GlistenerAgent You know, things that can be answered are still worthy of bans sometimes. I mean, Jace, the Mind Sculptor can be "destroyed or countered or anything."
March 22, 2015 8:37 p.m.
No changes this time.
But on the next one, unbann Dread Return. That will shake up the meta./
March 22, 2015 8:38 p.m.
GlistenerAgent The whole counterspell argument is exactly the same as the "dies to removal" argument. Also I'm talking about main deck, Ancient Grudge is not something you want to be main decking when it only really effects what would be three decks. Cryptic Command is only a temp solution plus the fact that you have now burned a counterspell. The other two cards will only see play in green decks. What about burn? We just going to except the fact that they auto loss on turn 3? And speaking of the fact, its a turn three win, one turn faster than twin and people are already complaining about twin. Wizards doesn't like combos in modern being turn three or faster, that is one turn faster than is acceptable legacy.
March 22, 2015 8:40 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #21
Dread Return should never be unbanned. It is waaaaaay too good for Modern.
As for Sword of the Meek, there would be combo decks that use it, as well as control decks that use it for an EOT mana sink. However, it really wouldn't change the meta significantly, and it doesn't lead to turn 2-3 kills or anything. So I'd say just unban it and see what happens.
March 22, 2015 8:41 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #22
Sure, but my point was that it requires your deck to be built a certain way, and as such lends itself to being dealt with in very specific, and often easy to access, ways.
March 22, 2015 8:44 p.m.
CrazyLittleGuy says... #23
@sirbar Burn can auto-lose earlier than turn 3 in a few key matchups, and even more post-board. Leyline of Sanctity can basically be auto-lose on turn 0 in a good chunk of games. For consistency you sacrifice power and are more susceptible to hate.
March 22, 2015 8:45 p.m.
CrazyLittleGuy I apologize about correcting you but I wanted to make sure you were understanding what I meant. Let me just state it here, I DON'T THINK TWIN SHOULD BE BANNED!, I am just making the argument to shift colors so that wizards doesn't destroy the archetype. The reason for it to shift colors is to drop its power by removing its best backup plan as you said in blood moon. Also it slows the combo a turn. I would prefer to see this happen than to have both kiki-jiki and splinter twin be banned.
March 22, 2015 8:47 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #25
I'll also point out that Thopter-Sword is not a turn 3 kill in the same sense that Twin is a turn 4 kill. You still have to pay mana each turn (which you may not be able to do as much as you want given opposing interaction), and sweepers give the opponent time to find the answers they need. The combo is for control decks that can make a lot of mana and gain complete control of a game in order to end it quickly.
March 22, 2015 8:48 p.m.
Burn no longer auto loses to leyline because of Destructive Revelry. And how is it a mana sink and not a possible turn 3 combo? But I digress because in the end this discussion does nothing since none of us work for the DCI.
March 22, 2015 8:50 p.m.
Yea sorry I missed that but you do get "infinite" life on turn three.
March 22, 2015 8:53 p.m.
Stygian333 says... #28
Free the elves! This isn't a prediction, because it won't happen. My 1 mana Planeswalker in Deathrite Shaman won't be unbanned (despite how much I would like that) but I would settle for Bloodbraid Elf coming back.
March 22, 2015 8:53 p.m.
CrazyLittleGuy says... #29
@sirbar It can be an auto-lose if burn sideboards improperly or doesn't have enough information. Sometimes the least likely decks bring in Leyline of Sanctity and a burn player has to go to game three to bring in their Destructive Revelrys. You're right though, with correct planning some of those plans are nullified. And don't worry, you're not digressing, that's the point of the discussion. Perhaps we don't actively influence the DCI's decision making, but then why do we hold most discussions anyway? It's okay to deal in hypotheticals because that's how you gain new perspectives.
Yeah, I get that you don't want Twin banned, and I'm inclined to agree with you for now. I'm just saying that I don't really know of a solid way to move the archetype into a UWR shell without neutering the deck as a whole.
March 22, 2015 8:59 p.m.
This is the type of list that I am referring to.
And if a player sideboards wrong then that is no reason to make any bans that player just needs to better understand the format.
March 22, 2015 9:14 p.m.
cosmokai2000 says... #31
Can anyone explain how Thopter Foundry and Sword of the Meek gains infinite life on turn three? I don't see how, as both pieces cost two and the Foundry cost one colorless to activate
March 22, 2015 9:32 p.m.
Honestly, the plan wotc had to combat twin in modern was probably just printing Rending Volley.
If they were going to try to bring anything back into the meta it would probably be the jund attrition lists so perhaps we could see Bloodbraid Elf or maybe Punishing Fire get an unban.
Thopter sword also should stay out of modern, it's an incredibly obnoxious combo.
March 22, 2015 9:47 p.m.
CastleSiege says... #33
Which format are we talking about? I assume Modern because that seems to be what most of you are talking about. EDH is getting a ban-list update tomorrow as well though. The only card that I can think of possibly getting banned from EDH is Cyclonic Rift. I've seen that card win far too many games.
March 23, 2015 12:10 a.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #34
Not one in particular. Just what they could potentially ban or unban.
March 23, 2015 12:13 a.m.
vampirelazarus says... #35
Everyone assumed modern...
I guess we know the sites preferred format :P
March 23, 2015 12:30 a.m.
Modern I see no changes.
EDH though, I think Cyclonic Rift is alright in the format. Yes its awesome and does a ton, but I have seen games where someone resolves rift and then the next guy untaps and wins via combo. However, I've heard a lot of whispers about Prophet of Kruphix getting axed. Now HE polarizes a game state.
March 23, 2015 12:38 a.m.
CastleSiege says... #37
I think Prophet of Kruphix and similar cards such as Seedborn Muse are fine. They don't win games by themselves or create one-sided games. Cyclonic Rift is completely disgusting and allows you to win out of the blue. Granted, I do like CRift and put it in all of my blue decks, but I'm expecting it to get axed.
I do know one thing for certain though, Sheldon Menery is part of my EDH FB group and confirmed that Demonic Tutor will not be banned (not like he even needed to say that though) lol.
March 23, 2015 12:45 a.m.
Yeah, I can totally see the argument for rift getting banned. Like I said, its awesome and it has absolutely proved itself as a blue staple in the format. I'm prepped though if it does get banned, I'll just throw in my pretty new Scourge of the Throne and crutch on Profaner of the Dead in my Marchesa build instead ;]
March 23, 2015 12:50 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #39
jchudz just because you find it obnoxious doesn't make it ban worthy. For christ's sakes Wizards exists in a vaccuum. Frankly I've started to wonder if they even know what they're doing half the time, especially with Modern. Because Modern is the format they've been promoting for ages now.
March 23, 2015 1:36 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #40
Yaaaaay all blue cards have been unbanned, Wizards finally understand blue players lol
March 23, 2015 9:27 a.m.
Announcement Date: March 23, 2015
Effective Date: March 27, 2015
Magic Online Effective Date: April 1, 2015
Pauper:
Treasure Cruise is banned.
100 Card Singleton:
Skullclamp is banned.
The list of all banned and restricted cards, by format, is here. The full list of cards banned in Pauper is here. The full list of cards banned in 100 Card Singleton is here.
Next B&R Announcement: July 13, 2015
March 23, 2015 10:48 a.m.
That seems just fine. Not too exciting, but I'm fine with it.
March 23, 2015 11:10 a.m.
Still waiting for EDH ban list announcement. If anything gets banned it should be Deadeye Navigator. Prophet of Kruphix is evil (especially when paired with Kruphix, God of Horizons), but there's way eviler stuff that isn't banned.
March 23, 2015 12:36 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #45
Deadeye is pretty gross, but I'm not sure it's worth banning.
March 23, 2015 2:35 p.m.
Please, lets not let this turn into a deadeye thread. It's vile, but not bannable. That's all I'm going to say on the topic. Prophet on the other hand, could be banned due to it being in every 
deck but i doubt it'll be banned.
March 23, 2015 2:37 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #47
Am I allowed to espouse my utter disdain and disappointment that Wizards didn't even touch Modern? Their existence in a vacuum is becoming increasingly problematic.
March 23, 2015 5:31 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #49
I think modern is fine right now, I could imagine DTT being unbanned but it doesn't really need to be touched yet. the only dominating deck is abzan and it's not nearly as bad as other decks have gotten before
March 23, 2015 5:36 p.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #50
Ugh, I get way to excited for these things.
I was thinking about potential builds should some of the cards get unbanned.
Hey ChiefBell what are your thoughts on altering the banned list for our next league?
lemmingllama says... #1
I don't see any bans, but they could unban Sword of the Meek, either Ancestral Vision or Bloodbraid Elf, and Dig Through Time.
Out of all of these, Sword of the Meek and Dig Through Time are the ones I want the most. Mainly since Sword of the Meek is mostly irrelevant and would help some control strategies, and Dig Through Time is that great card that can give a little bit more consistency.
March 22, 2015 8 p.m.