Preeminent Captain now in M15
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Posted on June 26, 2014, 1:16 p.m. by swkelly89
wizards just announced Preeminent Captain for M15. i see crazy white wiennie decks with him and Brimaz, King of Oreskos
Servo_Token says... #3
Hopefully the white / black knights of M15 are soldiers. That is, if they exist, and I sure hope they do.
June 26, 2014 1:26 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #4
I think people would be much less likely to counter Preeminent Captain than Brimaz, King of Oreskos , and if they do, well then you baited the counter out of their hand and can cast Brimaz unhindered next turn.
Of course, that's only really against control. Oh well.
June 26, 2014 1:28 p.m.
it'll be nice to maybe throw your opponents off. attack with Preeminent Captain , then put Brimaz, King of Oreskos out and attacking, now you also get the token from Brimaz attacking as well. i don think this will cause many problems, the 2 cards just have excellent synergy in my opinion
June 26, 2014 1:37 p.m.
"now you also get the token from Brimaz attacking as well."
You only get the token when Brimaz is declared as an attacker. If he enters already attacking, he was technically never declared.
June 26, 2014 1:38 p.m.
If there are other good soldiers with ETB effects (especially ones that could effect combat), I could possibly see using the Captain.
...but generally speaking Kings are better than Captains, and this is no exception.
June 26, 2014 1:43 p.m.
zandl aww, that just kills everything now, i recant my last statement lol. and no its not. not unless it gets a reprint in M15
June 26, 2014 1:46 p.m.
inb4 someone tries to make a Preeminent Captain deck with Foundry Champion .
Although, as I browse through the Soldiers in standard, one that really sticks out is Lavinia of the Tenth . That could actually be a very fun card to cheat in right before blocks.
June 26, 2014 1:53 p.m.
I also like him with Daxos of Meletis ... swing, put Daxos in... if he hits you get a card and life (if not a land), and since you didn't need to cast anything else that turn, you have 4 mana to spend on it. - Especially good right after they used a Scry ability.
Also, include a T2 "Spirit Bond", and you'll have an extra spirit token, and 4 mana available to give up to 2 creatures indestructible if needed.
June 26, 2014 2:04 p.m.
trentfaris242 says... #13
So when are we going to be done saying "Nu uh. Supreme Verdict ." to literally every spoiler? It's rotating out in like 3 months. Time to stop saying stuff is bad because of that card.
June 26, 2014 2:34 p.m.
trentfaris242 says... #14
Also that wasn't targeted at zandl. That's just what everyone has said about any spoiler so far when someone suggests it might be good.
June 26, 2014 2:35 p.m.
Are you implying it's not a valid point? I'll gladly let you drop in another creature and cast a third if it means I can 3-for-1 you.
And we don't know if we're getting another Wrath in M15 or KTK or not. We didn't get a Wrath two summers ago until RTR hit.
June 26, 2014 2:37 p.m.
trentfaris242 says... #16
No, just that we can't dismiss spoilers because of it. Yesterday someone Nissa wasn't very good because of Supreme Verdict . It's just a little silly. It's the whole "Dies to Doom Blade " thing all over again.
June 26, 2014 2:40 p.m.
When Supreme Verdict is gone, we will be saying "Dies to 'Perilous Vault'." (or another board-wipe if we get one.)
Besides he could have been more general, and been just as correct and said "Control won't counter, because it will usually just have another answer to it." Meaning that there are almost always better ways to deal with it (Supreme Verdict was just an example)... counters are often held for things that must be prevented, rather than things that need a response.
June 26, 2014 2:52 p.m.
trentfaris242 says... #18
But that's not what he said. He said they won't counter. They'll just destroy.
Tarmagoyf is bad. They won't counter. They'll just kill it with "insert kill spell".
We can't have actual balance conversations if we never make it passed this argument. Can't we just ALWAYS assume that everything can be answered and move on to the card in question?
June 26, 2014 2:59 p.m.
trentfaris242 says... #19
But like I said. That wasn't targeted at him. Every card discussion thread on T/O has become that.
June 26, 2014 3 p.m.
trentfaris242 says... #20
I actually agree with zandl's first comment. I'd rather play this into a much bigger soldier than Brimaz and drop him on t3.
June 26, 2014 3:04 p.m.
Yes... we can ALWAYS assume that everything can be answered... that's EXACTLY why he said that control won't counter these spells. - It has better answers (he just happened to use Supreme Verdict as an example).
Can they move onto the card in question...? that's what they were doing... He was looking at the card in question, and responding to someone else's statement of using this card to "bait counters". - His response was valid, but you simply don't like the example he gave.
June 26, 2014 3:08 p.m.
But a card's downfalls determines its playability. Do you think Hero of Bladehold would see Modern play if it had 3 toughness in lieu of 4? The only thing it would die to in addition to what already gets it is Lightning Bolt (and, to a lesser extent, Lightning Helix ).
Sure, board-wipes and the Doom Blade argument are petty, but you still have to consider them. Some cards are just way more susceptible to these forms of removal.
June 26, 2014 3:08 p.m.
Anyways, Preeminent Captain wasn't good when it was Standard last time and I highly doubt it's going to see any play. Free spells are good, but this is too slow for the foreseeable future and we're losing too many of the useful Soldiers with RTR leaving. Who knows what KTK will hold, but we have to acknowledge this card won't be good unless it gets a lot of help in the coming sets.
June 26, 2014 3:10 p.m.
What trentfaris242 is saying is that we are getting no where with speculation on if a card is good or not because all anyone ever says is it won't matter much because of an answer.... Control, Burn, etc.... All cards have answers, but that doesn't make Elspeth, Sun's Champion any less awesome, just because you can Hero's Downfall it. You play control, cool, you know your answer to a certain card, but take into account what that card can do in the matchup that isn't control based, or against a deck that the readily answered card is not available. Not all players use the same deck, same cards.
June 26, 2014 3:31 p.m.
I feel like some of you guys might be forgetting that by the time this card comes out, Supreme Verdict won't be standard legal anymore.. Neither will Doom Blade , Detention Sphere , etc. so control in standard will be a much different beast than it is right now. But then again all of the cards from the new set haven't been spoiled yet, have they?
zandl says... #2
I'd rather just play Brimaz on turn-3.
June 26, 2014 1:19 p.m.