Ramp Confirmed
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Posted on June 13, 2014, 11:55 a.m. by hosper
Green mages rejoice, the M15 sample decks that were posted by Wizards today they showed quite the large volume of cards. For me the highlight being the fact that Elvish Mystic shall be returning to us and we will never have to use Golden Hind or another second rate ramp creature. In other news we will have Typhoid Rats and Pack Rat reunited for a couple months.
Link: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1515
Servo_Token says... #4
Deosn't matter, Sign in Blood .
Mono black control might still be a thing with that and Read the Bones in the same format.
June 13, 2014 12:34 p.m.
Exactly, Notice how some cards are printed with M15 but all the others in the deck lists are not? So only the ones from those packs printed with M15 will be legal. I work at a magic store, ill confirm at the shop when I go in later.
June 13, 2014 12:42 p.m.
I though that at first JimmyJamR
Then I looked up a few of these packs from past years...
They have only ever contained either cards that were in that core set, or in a set that was standard legal and not cycling out...
ie: M14 had only M14 and Return to Ravnica Block
M13 had M13 and Innistrad Block
M12 had M12 and Scars of Mirrodin Block
etc...
This leads me to believe that (aside from the Theros Block cards) all of the cards in these packs will be in M15... and that this time there are 15 cards which will be "M15" (and Standard Legal), but not available in Boosters (Probably also see them in Event Decks and Intro Decks).
June 13, 2014 12:59 p.m.
Interesting difference this year as well... this is the first year to include "Rare" cards in these packs... though these rares are all in the 15 non-Booster cards.
June 13, 2014 1:04 p.m.
Dalektable says... #9
I hope those cards are all reprinted...Give me back Sign in Blood and I'll play black.
June 13, 2014 1:07 p.m.
The first paragraph explains this:"We provide five decks, one for each color, updating them each year with cards from the latest core set. Stores have begun to get these decks featuring cards from Magic 2015 , but with a bit of a twist this year. Each sample deck has several cards numbered 270 and higher that do not appear in Magic 2015 booster packs. These cards are legal for tournament play in any format that includes the Magic 2015 core set."
From this I got the impression that all cards featured in the packs will be standard legal even if they aren't in regular print.
June 13, 2014 1:23 p.m.
@hosper. "These cards are legal for..." refers to the cards numbered 270 and higher. Those ones will be legal for Standard play even though they are not going to appear in M15 Booster packs.
The next paragraph (one line) is very important. "Those cards are pictured beneath each sample deck." - They have specifically shown all the cards that fall into the above category.
The rest of the cards in the packs will either a) be in M15 Boosters, b) be in other Standard legal Sets (Theros Block), or c) not be Standard legal...
Since they have not yet printed any non-Standard legal cards in previous versions of these packs, I feel it's safe to assume cards not stated to be #270 and higher will be in M15.
June 13, 2014 2:48 p.m.
So Serra Angel isn't going to see draft play, eh? Interesting. Whenever I play white I tend to keep an eye for her because flying and vigilance are pretty important in draft. Not amazingly useful outside it.
Aegis Angel is also an odd pick, but I'm not complaining. She actually CAN be useful, even if she's ridiculously expensive.
Oh, and Typhoid Rats . Much deathtouch in my future.
June 13, 2014 5:23 p.m.
Typhoid Rats is in conspiracy. I thought they said that none of the conspiracy cards were going to be standard legal. I assumed this meant that they weren't printing any cards in conspiracy that were currently standard legal and that they wouldn't become stand legal. If Typhoid Rats get's printed in M15 does that mean we can expect to see other conspiracy cards in the new core set and the new Khans set making conspiracy cards much more useful for something other than commander or legacy/vintage formats?
June 13, 2014 5:40 p.m.
@abenz419.
They did not state that cards in Conspiracy were not going to be Standard Legal.
What they said was that being in the Conspiracy set does not make them standard legal. - Subtle but important difference.
This simply means that cards in Conspiracy do not become Standard legal because of this printing.
There are, however, 6 cards from M14 ( Plummet , Pitchburn Devils , Altar's Reap , Air Servant , Pillarfield Ox , and Fireshrieker ) that were included in Conspiracy. - Those cards are Standard Legal... but not because they are in Conspiracy, but rather because they are in a Standard Legal set.
Typhoid Rats will also be Standard legal when M15 comes out, but not because they are in Conspiracy.
I would expect that other cards in Conspiracy, including some that have never been previously printed, will eventually be printed in Standard.
For example, Scavenging Ooze was first printed in a Commander set and was not Standard of Modern Legal. Since then, it has been printed in M14 and is currently Standard and Modern legal.
I would expect that Dack Fayden will eventually see this type of re-print in a future "artifacts matter" set.
June 16, 2014 7:59 a.m.
I know how the formats function and no one claimed being in conspiracy made any card standard legal (reprint or not)... but like I said, I thought I heard that they said that none of the cards in conspiracy were going to be standard legal, I had heard that from multiple sources. What must have happened is the person that I heard it from probably just misspoke or worded what they were saying wrong. I haven't actually payed much attention to the actual cards in the set, mostly just what I've seen in other threads on people talking about the money cards, so I didn't realize there were cards from M14 in conspiracy already.
June 16, 2014 9:40 a.m.
If you read between the lines, the sample decks are standard legal, meaning all cards in them will be standard legal. The ones pictured are the ones not available via booster.
abenz419The conspiracy card TYPE is the illegal part. Not cards in conspiracy, except as noted by the difference Rayenous mentioned.
June 16, 2014 9:48 a.m.
Like I said, I completely understand how things work. I was just misinformed that is all.. no need to keep repeating the same information I've already stated that I completely understand
June 16, 2014 10:14 a.m.
I didn't repeat the same information. I basically said the conspiracy card type is illegal. It is in all formats except drafts with conspiracy (and cubes with them). From vintage on down they are banned. Which was not mentioned before.
June 16, 2014 10:49 a.m.
As a Green mage, I don't consider Elvish Mystic to be ramp. It provides mana and can let you jump a bit ahead, but a board-wipe sets you back. It's temporary.
I'm not cheering until I see Rampant Growth .
June 19, 2014 2:16 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #21
"The rest of the cards in the packs will either a) be in M15 Boosters, b) be in other Standard legal Sets (Theros Block), or c) not be Standard legal..."
@Rayenous The starter decks haven't been fully spoiled, until they are, and we've seen if the 'not-reprints' have card numbers over 170, we just don't know whether they'll be standard legal or not. If I had to guess, I'd say all cards in the starter decks will be standard legal. To do otherwise would be confusing. Well more confusing.
June 19, 2014 2:32 p.m.
The 30-card start packs have been fully spoiled Here. - This is the site mentioned in the original post.
Also, if I already stated that is is very likely that all cards in the started decks will be standard legal. My reasoning is because no previous started decks had non-standard legal cards. - You are right, it would be confusing.
JimmyJamR says... #2
Where does it confirm that? The only cards that are confirmed M15 are highlight in the article......If we use the logic about elvish mystic that would mean that 72 cards were spoiled, not 15.
June 13, 2014 12:13 p.m.