Stupid Golgari!
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Posted on April 17, 2014, 5:03 a.m. by ChiefBell
What is this? How is this even good? Can someone explain how this card achieves anything?
Ahhhh. So it's just a Jarad enabler. Fair. Bit high cost though.
April 17, 2014 5:31 a.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #4
Could see Modern play in Dredgevine. Maybe. Trades with Delver.
April 17, 2014 5:37 a.m.
This card will most certainly never see modern play. You don't have time to waste your whole T3 playing a creature that does basically nothing and isn't even bolt-proof...
April 17, 2014 5:52 a.m.
RussischerZar says... #6
Well, for Decks that heavily use the graveyard it's half a Satyr Wayfinder each turn with better stats and a Treasured Find tacked on.
And in case you didn't know: Satyr Wayfinder actually does see some play in Standard dredge decks.
April 17, 2014 6:03 a.m.
ChiefBell: just in case you were curious and felt like checking an example of the deck out.
I think this guy is sweet! I don't play BG Dredge at all, but it's abilities, cost and size all seem quite alright. And if Pharika ends up seeing any play in this sort of deck (which I think it will), it does provide two devotion on the possible T2. Plus, the art is amazing. That's truly how you judge a good magic card.
April 17, 2014 6:11 a.m.
Seems interesting. Surely its strength lies in it being rogue.... I mean, if it ever got massive then Rest in Peace would start being a thing. I think this deck has more strength in it being like T1.5-T2 than it does in being at the top.
April 17, 2014 6:17 a.m.
You've got to understand that often times, Golgari players want their graveyard filled. A 2/3 for three with reach is not all bad, and amazing if you profit from the effect.
An example would be something like Grisly Salvage , which puts at least four cards in your graveyard. Even something like Junk works with this, due to anti-milling cards like Loxodon Smiter , I think that's the card anyways, elephant with a hammer, lol.
I'd suggest you have a look at other Golgari cards and try to see the pattern, cards with Scavenge for example, Deadbridge Goliath .
April 17, 2014 6:32 a.m.
RussischerZar says... #12
Yeah, that's probably true. Most of it's cards are from Theros though (except Grisly Salvage ), so after rotation the three main hate cards Rest in Peace , Scavenging Ooze and Crypt Incursion will be gone. It might pick up its pace then, depending on other new hate cards that might come in.
April 17, 2014 6:32 a.m.
I know ari lax piloted the deck to what was either top 8 or a contention game for top 8 at GP cincinnati and almost won before losing to some mana issues. Ive seen it played and had it used agInst me and being unprepared for it is definitely one's biggest weakness to it. Its probably one of those meta call decks. Especially since, as you mentioned, something like Rest in Peace breaks it down pretty well.
April 17, 2014 6:36 a.m.
RussischerZar says... #15
here's some footage from SCGlive for the dredge deck:
YouTube link
April 17, 2014 6:37 a.m.
One of my personal goals is to keep a mull to four containing three lands and a smiter to get T1 thoughtseized. Just because.
April 17, 2014 6:38 a.m.
I thought this exiled from the graveyard to return something. At that point i got very scared. Then i re-read it and realised... Yeah it's pretty good.
April 17, 2014 6:53 a.m.
any B/G deck would benefit from this card, regardless the strategy/win-con. it returns ANY card from the graveyard, including destroyed/sacrificed (to ultimate) planeswalkers
April 17, 2014 7:51 a.m.
Scorch1313 says... #20
I could see this getting a lot of play in standard Reanimator/Dredge
time to break out Rest in Peace
April 17, 2014 8:03 a.m.
Not very good, but as Dritz said, It fills up the graveyard with cards that interact with Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord .
April 17, 2014 8:15 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #23
I love, it's Codex Shredder on a body with built in re-occursion built.
Useless to my current standard deck but I'll pick up a play set for post rotation when I'm forced to play with the crap fest of a lackluster card Reaper of the Wilds is ;/
April 17, 2014 10:22 a.m.
probably not good enough for standard dredge. Grisly Salvage , Commune with the Gods and Satyr Wayfinder all cost one mana less, mill cards upon resolution, and let you choose to keep something useful from going to the gy. this guy is nice in that he's a creature and has the Regrowth effect, but i think the cmc on the cast and effect each needed to be one less to be useful.
definitely too slow for modern.
April 17, 2014 10:25 a.m.
It will go right in to the B/G Dredge deck. Its crazy good and helps the deck against fliers, that is one of the decks weaknesses. You can look at it like a better version of Nightveil Specter
it adds devotion, gives you card advantage and it self mills. All while blocking the 2 power fliers out there, heck you can even stick a Nighthowler
on it and there will be no way for a flier to sneak past it alive.
April 20, 2014 4:59 a.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #28
It's meh. I actually see it more for Reanimator than Dredge since it allows you to retrieve a Whip of Erebos , Obzedat's Aid , etc. that got self-milled. But at the end of the day, it's probably a card that just misses the final cut.
April 20, 2014 8:36 a.m.
It was designed for kitchen table. Newer players really love self-mill. It provides that, a balanced body for its cost, a relevant keyword in reach, and a Regrowth . I would have definitely used it in my self-mill when I started out; there needs to be more consistent mill-on-a-stick other than Splinterfright .
Dritz says... #2
It fills your graveyard for Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord , Nighthowler , Nemesis of Mortals and Pharika, God of Affliction . The fact that it is free self-mill and a way to recur key pieces makes it very valuable, IMO. T1, Elvish Mystic , T2 This, T3 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord . T4 Bestow Nighthowler on the spider and go to town. If they look to kill it you can throw the Spider with Jarad or use its ability to get something back. Either way you get a Nighthowler again. Better part is that any of these things is just fine being another card and still synergizing well together. Redundancy in powerful effects with recursion is pretty snazzy.
April 17, 2014 5:28 a.m.