Super mana?
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Posted on Jan. 23, 2014, 9:19 a.m. by cr14mson
Not sure if anyone's posted this yet:
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RussischerZar says... #3
you forgot Kiora's Follower + Illusionist's Bracers
January 23, 2014 9:27 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #4
It is a bit slow for most purposes but in a Bant control deck or a commander deck including Blue and Green that is a great interaction. Best possible way to use the Cornucopia IMO.
January 23, 2014 9:31 a.m.
Just sharing, coz my friend and I were talking about the spoilers earlier. Without ramps / elves, etc, the earliest you can drop it is turn 3; which will produce 1 mana of any color. 1 mana. it's ok, but not too enticing. ok, what if you 'Vorel' it to double it? interesting....
BUT would you really want to play an artifact, or a 3-drop creature instead?
Also, do we have any Drain Life
-like cards in Standard that requires specific color of mana to be used? otherwise, it will just be another Nykthos - prized for the volume of mana it can produce, but not the color
C'mon! let's break this card! lol
January 23, 2014 9:50 a.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #6
Good for EDH. Unplayable in standard. T3 play Astral Cornucopia, T4 Vorel of the Hull Clade , t5 double counters with Vorel and then die... not a winning strategy. Accelerate it 1 turn with a Elvish Mystic and it is still not appealing.
January 23, 2014 10:21 a.m.
mymanpotsandpans says... #7
At its worst I can see it as a Darksteel Ingot without Indestructible a set back in a set with all the enchantment artifact balance like Revoke Existence or Unravel the Aether but that would hit an ingot anyways. The point of it having a weakness then is pretty much moot. So like everyone is pointing out, this is going to be good.
January 23, 2014 10:21 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #8
Rasta_Viking29: optimal order would be Vorel of the Hull Clade T3, Astral Cornucopia T4, Double the counters and tap allowing a second 3 drop. Elvish Mystic would allow T3 to be on curve with T4 9 mana. The thing is that this is still a bit slow IMO.
January 23, 2014 12:37 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #10
yes, it reads "for each counter" so it doubles counters.
January 23, 2014 1:05 p.m.
@Three-Left-Feet Vorel of the Hull Clade can't target planeswalkers.
January 23, 2014 3:07 p.m.
Read Vorel of the Hull Clade again. Artifact, creature, or land. Doesnt say planeswalker.
January 23, 2014 3:13 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #14
That's what I get for trying to think right after work, sorry fellas
January 23, 2014 3:24 p.m.
Now then, you're in a casual game and you play Liquimetal Coating ...VOREL ALL THE THINGS!
January 23, 2014 4:51 p.m.
This has the potential to be broken. Simic midrange?
January 23, 2014 5:32 p.m.
solkanarswampking says... #17
So you're using Astral Cornucopia and Vorel of the Hull Clade so you're likely to also use Prophet of Kruphix , Sylvan Caryatid and Mana Bloom but where do you go from here in a STD blue/green deck? I could see Astral Cornucopia doing all sorts if cool stuff in Modern right now though.
January 23, 2014 6:44 p.m.
@solkanarswampking: I guess you can make a pretty big Mistcutter Hydra , but I don't think it's plausible enough for competitive standard. But you can believe I'll play it in mono green EDH all day long. Any mono color EDH for that matter, I just happen to want to build mono green right now.
January 24, 2014 12:02 p.m.
SharuumNyan says... #19
If would be much better if you could produce mana of more than one color with Astral Cornucopia . Then it would be truly broken.
January 24, 2014 12:13 p.m.
will a Cipher'ed Hidden Strings
be able to untap it twice for mana?
tap for mana -> untap permanent -> tap for mana -> untap permanent -> tap for mana
also tagging Epochalyptik for rules clarification
January 25, 2014 7:39 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #21
No need to tag him, there are plenty of people who know the rules just as well.
Mana abilities have the following 2 differences from normal activated abilities:
605.3a A player may activate an activated mana ability whenever he or she has priority, whenever he or she is casting a spell or activating an ability that requires a mana payment, or whenever a rule or effect asks for a mana payment, even if its in the middle of casting or resolving a spell or activating or resolving an ability.
605.3b An activated mana ability doesnt go on the stack, so it cant be targeted, countered, or other wise responded to. Rather, it resolves immediately after it is activated.
Since it is in the middle of an ability resolving and nothing is asking for a mana payment you cannot tap the Cornucopia in the middle of Hidden Strings
resolving. Therefore; no, you cant untap it twice with the same Hidden Strings
January 25, 2014 8:30 a.m.
daniferrito says... #22
Plus, it reads "another" target permanent, so you wouldnt even be able to target it twice.
January 25, 2014 10:15 a.m.
acbooster: If you're in a casual game, why not just use Gilder Bairn instead of Liquimetal Coating . It can target any permanent, and there are plenty of ways to get it tapped. You can tap Astral Cornucopia for mana, use Hidden Strings to untap it and to tap Gilder Bairn and use the mana from Cornucopia to activate Bairn and double counters.
January 25, 2014 10:30 a.m.
Gidgetimer & daniferrito: you're right. sorry, this is what happens when I'm up for more than 24 hours. and thanks on the clarification!
Avernar says... #2
Watdefaq. That's going to escalate unreasonably quickly. Nice find!
January 23, 2014 9:26 a.m.