The new Jace won't be this bad
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Posted on July 2, 2014, 9:37 p.m. by Drathen
First, his +1 gives you the option to filter through card, and can have graveyard utility too.
His -8 isn't a Timetwister as people have suggested, only you get to draw a new hand, they just lose their hade and enter topdecking mode.
His -3 is lackluster yes, but the effect is good, only problem is that the loyalty cost is a bit high.
Jace, the Living Guildpact for a 4 mana planeswalker, it really isn't that bad.
CommanderOfBolas says... #3
you are a bit late to the party. there have been several threads about this already.
July 2, 2014 9:39 p.m.
adventfaith says... #6
Maybe good in a more Blue/Black/Green combination kind of deck
July 2, 2014 9:53 p.m.
He's probably standard playable after rotation if the new block doesnt have any good blue planeswalker. He really does suck though. His +1 is awful, his -3 is very overcosted and meh, his ult is very good but doesn't end the game. Definitely one of the worse planeswalkers printed but it will still probably see standard play for being a blue planeswalker
July 2, 2014 9:57 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #8
for the record, I think Jace is actually pretty awesome. I don't care wat people say about him, I am going to make him work
July 2, 2014 10:06 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #9
"Definitely one of the worse planeswalkers printed "
What crack have you been smoking?
This new Jace isn't THAT bad. Compared to other Jaces he may not be THE best, but to say he is terrible is kind of stupid =/ I mean yeah, his +1 isn't all that powerful but it's useful and resourceful, It's almost like a scry in a sense, but can be abused with things relying on being in the grave. Lets also remember blue is a deck manipulation color, so it does just what it wants to. His -3 is a Disperse , which was an awesome card. His ultimate is Timetwister but better. Your opponent is left topdecking while you have a full hand to work with. That can make any game end for your opponent badly. To even think he is one of the worst planeswalkers is absurd. Not every walker can be one of the best. Even for Jace this isn't the worst.
July 2, 2014 10:24 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #10
the problem people have is that they see the new jace as filling the same role of past jaces, but this guy cant do what the old jaces have done. that doesn't make him bad, it just means you need to be more creative. id go as far as to say that he is flat out not bad at all. plus, we don't know what the next block will bring us. maybe we will get some cards that synergize well with him
July 2, 2014 10:31 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #11
People are just butthurt he isn't broken as fuck. People want stupid good cards, then bitch about how broken they are and hate wizards when they are against it. You hypocritical bastards >w> Just cause it isn't something you were HOPING for doesn't make it bad.
July 2, 2014 10:37 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #12
Soul of X cycle LOVES this jace. Also, they are printing a Reanimate with convoke so +1, pitch a fatty, convoke and pay mana to reanimate said fatty.
No discard outlet, no need for 3 cards. Just Jace and reanimate.
July 2, 2014 11:06 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #13
Exactly. Ohthenoises knows how to see potential in a card and not instantly label it bad just cause the abilities aren't incredibly powerful
July 2, 2014 11:37 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #14
The problem is that people are so used to a "control-ly" Jace, one that can either be included for card advantage and/or slowing opponents down (Jace AOT, JTMS, and Beleren) or includes that can function as an alternate win in long games that also appeals to a whole other archetype (Beleren and Memory Adept). This Jace is different, a departure from Jace's "traditional" uses into new territory. This doesn't make him bad by any means. He just needs to be used differently.
People scoffed at Jace, the Car Payment when he first came at too. Look where he is now.
July 2, 2014 11:49 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #15
Regardless, he generates deck manipulation, bounces stuff, and makes opponent's cry when he goes off. No different than any other Jace printed, with the exception of keeping him balanced and different in terms of how he does what he does.
July 2, 2014 11:55 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #17
I do have to admit that I wish he could draw cards, though. the reason I play blue is because I like to go deep to find answers, but this jace doesn't really help. however, we are getting Jace's Ingenuity (how flavorful) which is more playable than Opportunity in my opinion. I think a tempo deck is in the making. but until khans, I will likely just be playing a standard version of g/w hatebears, using Chord of Calling and all the the cards that will be available (Phyrexian Revoker , hushwing gryff, reclamation sage, hornets nest, Judge's Familiar , etc.) with some anthem effects to help them out.
July 3, 2014 12:02 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #18
This change in function also reflects Jaces change in the lore. Before, he could roam the Multiverse as he pleases; the only reason he continued coming back to Ravnica was because he felt the most at home there, but unless he was researching something, he never stayed long. Now as the Guildpact, he's tied to the plane as long as he lives. He can still leave, but if he doesn't come back in a timely manner, the guilds go to war with each other and effectively tear Ravnica apart. He has a lot of responsibility (understatement) and he knows it (double understatement).
CommanderOfBolas, I actually preferred Opportunity ... I think you can guess why. ;)
July 3, 2014 12:03 a.m.
i find his first 2 abilities okay... but a 7 card card advantage? i'm in.
July 3, 2014 12:25 a.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #20
haha, yeah. Opportunity is good, but what I like about Jace's Ingenuity is the flavor and the fact that it is only 5 mana.
July 3, 2014 12:42 a.m.
Run this Jace alongside Rakdos Charm to basically throw your opponent into topdeck mode without refilling their library. Let Memory Adept whittle their deck down a little, slam this one and tick him up. Then Charm them and set him off. In a Grixis control build, shouldn't be too hard to protect. Might be a little difficult to do in Standard, but not completely impossible.
July 3, 2014 12:57 a.m.
I should probably clarify that as far as Standard goes, I'm specifically referring to the short period of time between M15 release and rotation. After that, only Khans can tell us if a similar strategy will be possible.
July 3, 2014 1:20 a.m.
I would be willing to bet the +1 originally had "target player" in it and R&D said "nope, too broken". I think if I had a 1v1 against control with this vs AoT. This would win more matches. In control mirrors two of three abilities are generally useless. While the LGP is relevant in all 3. And pretty much closes a door at -8. I am going to try a deck called Good Luck if anyone has any suggestions or praise.
Arvail says... #2
Please refer to this thread:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-forum/spoilers-rumors-and-speculation/jace-the-living-guildpact/
July 2, 2014 9:39 p.m.