Villainous Wealth
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Posted on Nov. 23, 2014, 8:32 p.m. by CapnMooMoo
(Note: Yes, I was that guy that did the same thing for Dig Through Time and then everybody debated if it was supposed to go here. It seemed most people agreed this is the right place, so I'm going to do it here again. I just don't see where else it should go. Sorry in advance)
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WHAT IF Villainous Wealth WORKED LIKE THIS INSTEAD...
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Delve (Each card you exile from your graveyard while casting this spell pays for 1.)
Target opponent exiles the top X cards of his or her library. You may cast any number of nonland cards with converted mana cost X or less from among them without paying their mana costs. You can only pay for the X portion of this cost by delving.
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Would this make Villainous Wealth more mainstream-standard playable?
Other thoughts on Villainous Wealth?
CapnMooMoo says... #3
Exactly, but it allows you to leave mana up to counter.
:D
November 23, 2014 8:51 p.m.
Like, that would basically turn it into 3 mana -----> win the game. I mean, we've learned by now that certain delve cards (I'll give you a hint, they're blue) are quite playable. Even in standard, these two unnamed cards are often cast for U or UU. These cards are quite good at that cost, so how much harder would it be to pay UGB and just win the game (even with only 6-7 cards, that's basically what it does).
@Bellock86, this type of card would probably find a home in either an all in dredgish deck, or (more likely) a Sultai control deck. While the former can only really hope to duck counters, the latter can easily protect it, and probably wants to run such protection anyway.
November 23, 2014 8:59 p.m.
I imagine that was originally the card from Design, but Development probably turned it back. As Blakkhand said, if you play it for a reasonable amount, more than 6 or 7, you essentially own their deck. Maybe it would be more balanced as a Reverse Genesis Hydra with Delve, you get one permanent from it.
November 23, 2014 9:49 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #7
Man, if that were the what the card really said, I would play the $#!+ out of it. Alas, no...
November 23, 2014 10:02 p.m.
Nigeltastic says... #8
That would be busted. Turn 2 Taigam's Scheming, pitch all of them or Commune with the Gods take nothing then turn 3 you cast this x=6.... Holy hell no.
November 23, 2014 10:17 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #10
Since this is a theoretical card in a sense, I think it would be better off in the Custom Cards section. Anyway, I think that your version would be too powerful. Obviously it is limited in some regards, but delve on that would be insane. I run 4 dig through time in my grips control deck along with 3 murderous cuts and still have graveyard to spare.
November 24, 2014 12:22 a.m.
scopesightzx says... #11
I feel like you would only get to cast one of the cards, like Genesis Hydra. The other cards could be still exiled, but you would only get to cast one. I think that's a fair balance to it.
November 24, 2014 12:51 a.m.
scope, that would make the card unplayable. Only being able to cast one makes it much, much worse and removes the fun factor.
November 24, 2014 6:17 a.m.
If V.Wealth had delve in any form, whether it be just for the X cost, or for the entire cost, it would be completely busted. Any control deck could easily get x=5-7 by T4 or T5 depending on their mana production and how aggressively they use burn and counterspells. It would be unbelievably busted.
November 24, 2014 7:12 a.m.
Blakkhand - didn't really think about it from that angle. after reading your breakdown (as well as other peoples comments) i realize how busted that would actually be. And not just in standard but a lot of formats.
November 24, 2014 9:39 a.m.
CapnMooMoo says... #15
Okay, but what if it was [X][X][B][G][U], and you could pay the X's with both delve and normal costs?
I figured the delve version was busted, but how about this?
November 24, 2014 11:26 a.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #16
I think that would be more reasonable, but still maybe not powerful enough. to see more play than it does now
November 24, 2014 11:38 a.m.
TehMagicPrimordial says... #17
Cash Money Money makes Villainous Wealth very playable.
November 24, 2014 6:51 p.m.
I'd rather see Mindswipe with Delve. I love the idea of the card.
November 25, 2014 12:20 a.m.
CapnMooMoo says... #20
Mindswipe has red, meaning it could never have Delve.
November 25, 2014 3:51 p.m.
Fill me in, I don't know why red/blue couldn't Delve?
November 25, 2014 3:53 p.m.
CapnMooMoo says... #22
Delve is the Sultai mechanic, and from a design and flavor perspective in Khans of Tarkir, a U/R spell could only have either a Prowess-matters or Ferocious mechanic.
November 25, 2014 4 p.m.
CapnMooMoo says... #23
Additionally, I can only think of three cards in the last couple of sets that involve the graveyard in red, and two of them are multicolored: Spite of Mogis, Spellheart Chimera, and Morgue Burst.
This shows that red traditionally doesn't have graveyard interactions in it's repertoire.
Bellock86 says... #2
That reword would make that card terrible.
"I exile like 12 cards to pay for this" my opponent responds "okay I cast (insert any counterspell in standard here) and counter it"
Me: cries like a baby
November 23, 2014 8:50 p.m.