What do you think?
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Posted on Aug. 16, 2014, 8:17 p.m. by Scorprix
To be honest, I'm not exactly hyped about the idea of Khans. Do you like it? A simple "Yes" or "No" in the comments will do. I just want to know who agrees with me or not.
Since we haven't seen more than 3 cards from the set yet or know anything beyond the fact that we will have new Mechanics, wedges, and Morph, I think it's a bit early to dislike something.
August 16, 2014 8:22 p.m.
zandl, it doesn't take too long to tell it's starting to look like Kamigawa.
August 16, 2014 8:28 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #6
I get excited for a set based on how fun the cards look. Since we don't yet have any cards, I don't yet have any hype.
August 16, 2014 8:35 p.m.
... Except it only looks like Kamigawa from an aesthetic standpoint. There's no evidence to show that there will be extremely narrow mechanics and/or a ton of Legendary cards.
I think you may be reading between the lines a bit too hard.
As I said, we haven't really seen anything yet that would stun us in either a positive or negative way.
August 16, 2014 8:45 p.m.
As a new magic player that started around gatecrash release, i'm extremely excited for a three color set. From the moment I saw the Alara block, i've loved the idea of a set all about three colored decks, so this is awesome for me. Then there's the fact that my favorite color set, R/W/U, is in the set as well, I couldn't be more excited.
August 16, 2014 9:04 p.m.
I too am with zandl, we haven't seen any spoilers, just heard rumors, and I don't believe that's enough info to make an opinion on this upcoming set.
Personally, I think the theros block was a little underwhelming, and I think WoTC knows this, so hopefully they will step their game up a little with this next set.
August 16, 2014 9:14 p.m.
Cool I hadn't seen that yet. I still wouldn't say those spoilers of 3 cards are justification to already be downing on khans though.
August 16, 2014 9:28 p.m.
Nigeltastic says... #13
I am excited because I'm always excited for new magic cards. I don't play eternal formats, so my expectations for card power level are not unreasonable, and I personally very much enjoyed Theros, even if it didn't contain that much super OP eternal playable stuff, so I don't have any reason to expect bad things.
August 16, 2014 9:28 p.m.
I was happy to see that Thousand Winds is not going to be legendary. That, to me, was a good sign that it won't be too much like Kamigawa.
August 16, 2014 9:36 p.m.
@tman007: It still sounds like a Kamigawa-ish name, but same here. When my friend told me about the card, I looked it up immediately, and to my relief it Wasn't legendary. : )
August 16, 2014 9:44 p.m.
biggestmtgnerd says... #16
Looks good so far. I like the idea for the Mongolian based world, the reprinting of morph, having wedges, new cards, and time travel
August 16, 2014 9:56 p.m.
Theros was extremely underpowered and underwhelming, especially when compared to RTR and Innistrad. My guess is Khans will bring us back to a little higher power level, which would be great. I like the idea of a wedge set, in theory. We'll just have to see how they execute it.
As far as looking like Kamigawa, I completely disagree. Kamigawa was primarily monocolored, extremely heavy on legend cards, and severely underpowered. So far, there's really no evidence of any of that in Khans. About the only similarity is that they take place in Asia.
August 16, 2014 10:30 p.m.
MagicalHacker says... #19
Yes, I'm excited.
Why? I play mostly EDH (I used to play standard, but I only want to play competitive combo decks in standard, of which there havent been many as of late...), and it's nice to FINALLY see some more wedge commanders. Honestly, three of the wedges had only 1 commander I considered worth playing, and the other two only had two each. That is the MAIN reason, I like KTK so far. There is another reason though: I really think Ixidor, Reality Sculptor could be a good commander if we got more morph cards. Lastly, I'm crossing my fingers for a competitive combo deck so that I can get back into standard. (I say "get back into" it, but I never really left, I just half-heartedly built a control deck to play IF someone doesn't have an EDH deck and they still wanna play magic, which I think says quite a bit about my opinion about standard at the moment.) I just want to enjoy standard like when I played human reanimator, Blood Artist combo deck, Epic Experiment combo deck, etc.
August 16, 2014 10:39 p.m.
Of course this looks NOTHING like Kamigawa:
LOOK! A MONGOLIAN NINJA GENIE!
August 16, 2014 10:51 p.m.
Smith_and_Tonic says... #21
I am looking forward to Khans. I am mostly and EDH and limited player so the cards spoiled and the general idea of the set seem awesome. The wedges make drafting decks a little bit more difficult/slightly sillier.
August 16, 2014 11:02 p.m.
biggestmtgnerd says... #22
kmcree Kiki-Jiki, sensei's top, gifts ungiven, the star cycle, final judgement, Azusa, azami, boseiju, jitte. Definitely underpowered.
August 16, 2014 11:09 p.m.
@biggestmtgnerd: The reason why Kamigawa is considered an underpowerd block is because a majority of the block was terrible. Those are a few amazing cards from the block, but most of the block was absolutely useless and just plain terrible.
August 16, 2014 11:16 p.m.
Right. 10 good cards and 500 horrible ones. Great block.
August 16, 2014 11:33 p.m.
@kmcree: Yea, that's why I'm scared. I have a bad feeling that Khans will result similarly to Kamigawa. : (
August 16, 2014 11:39 p.m.
Why? Because they're both Asian? Name 1 other similarity. Seriously. This whole "OMG its just like Kamiigawa" thing is asinine. Let it pan out.
August 16, 2014 11:42 p.m.
Aside from the Oriental flavor there is nothing comparable to Kamigawa. Start worrying if spoilers start and they show that they are underpowered.
Besides, the Jeskai pic has an Aven, and maybe we'll see the Future Sighted Aven Mindcensor here.
August 16, 2014 11:44 p.m.
@kmcree: Why did you just try to divert the topic to racism? No, it's because the card style is EXTREMELY similar, just look at names and the card's power levels. If I remember correctly, so far all the spoiled cards suck.
@Osang: If you're right and they re-print Aven Mindcensor type cards, then I'll be happy. Well, as long as they're good. ; )
August 17, 2014 12:04 a.m.
Seriously? They've spoiled THREE cards. How can you say anything at all about the power level? Yes, the names/stye are similar because they're both Asian. Other than that, there really isn't anything in common. Kamigawa had ninjas, Khans has Keshiks. If you don't know the difference, I can't help you.
August 17, 2014 12:09 a.m.
vampirelazarus says... #30
@scorpix I don't think it was a try to divert the argument to racism, I think that kmcree meant they shared Asian influence in the art and lore.
August 17, 2014 12:09 a.m.
Kamigawa represents more of the Eastern Asian culture.
If you look carefully at the design and the environments of each clan, I'd say Khans represents all the different regions of Asia.
Jeskai : Islands and Archipelagos
Sultai : South East Asian forests
Abzan : Indian and Nepalese region
Mardu : Mongolian desert
Temur : Rugged Northwest
Spoiled cards suck? The Jeskai 6-drop is a 5/6 morph that bounces; a decent, single color, limited card. Zurgo is as aggressive as aggressive can be in a fair manner, while the Heart-Piercer hits for 2 to the dome or to a creature on your 2nd main phase, triggered by attacks, not damage.
I just don't see the association with Kamigawa other than Asian influences; that in no way is related to racism.
August 17, 2014 12:21 a.m.
LordOfDispair says... #33
I am hyped a ton, especially for the lands. and morph. I was kind of meh at first but I'm really warming up to the theme of this set.
August 17, 2014 12:56 a.m.
i'm just wondering if you guys think this post rotation deck i built will be competitive when the new set comes out.
August 17, 2014 1:06 a.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #35
I still don't understand why people are jumping to conclusions. Look, we know very little about the set. other than some lore and a basic idea of what the set will use (wedges, new mechanics, morph), there is no way to judge it from a power level perspective. So how about we all take a step back and wait a couple more weeks to see some more cards before we judge.
August 17, 2014 1:20 a.m.
CommanderOfBolas comes in with the common sense. Except people are going to speculate and keep making threads like this until spoiler season comes around. So I'm just going to hunker down until then.
August 17, 2014 1:37 a.m.
thebdizzle says... #37
I'm with zandl and MagicalHacker, as a mainly EDH player, I get really excited about EVERY set. Some are better than others of course but we have only seen 3 or 4 cards and I think that it is hard to judge an entire set off that.
August 17, 2014 4:55 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #39
I don't like the set. Their names mainly. They way the names are done look as though WotC rushed them through design without giving them proper flavour. The Alara block had flavour in the names, Bant, Grixis, Esper ... they all fit the colours they represent, and they "feel" just perfect being there.
These names look like they jumbled a bunch of phonetics together and hoped that the flavour will come about in and of itself without them working on it.
August 17, 2014 8:54 a.m.
MagicalHacker says... #40
I disagree! Sultai, Mardu, and Abzan feel COMPLETELY on flavor phonetically. Even more than Bant or other shard names. Jeskai and Temur aren't there yet, but they dont sound bad.
August 17, 2014 9:19 a.m.
Yes. I'm looking forward to Khans based on what we know right now. Spoiler season may dissuade me, but for now I'm buying into the concept.
August 17, 2014 10:04 a.m.
The newest 'Latest Developments' article does have me worried, however. Worse wraths, worse spot removal, worse ETB abilities, profit?
August 17, 2014 11:36 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #44
Easier entrance to standard I presume. More acceptance of a wider variety of cards instead of, "you have to use this card or else you are not competitive".
It does mean that we probably won't see any modern or legacy removal reprints for a long while, making them gradually trudge up in price as the years go by. Get your Abrupt Decay s while you can! Before they become $30+
August 17, 2014 11:45 a.m.
Rhinowarrior says... #46
Guys, I would jsut like to point out that the point of this thread was not to debate whether or not he was knocking the power level of the set or if he was being racist comparing it to kmigawa. It is says in the front, tell me if you like the "idea" or the concept of the set. That was all that was intended to be discussed.
August 17, 2014 12:23 p.m.
Rhinowarrior says... #48
1sorry, i just saw this thread and was kind of irritated by all the tapped out users who immediatley point out that we haven't seen spoilers. Like no shit we haven't seen the set yet. He wasn't critiqueing the set. All the people who say that would like to mantain a nuetral view of the set until they have seen the set are trying far too hard to seem intelligent, and reasonable. That person obviously has some feeling on the matter, no matter how slight that feeling is.
August 17, 2014 12:30 p.m.
MagicalHacker says... #50
Well in that case, I think the flavor is less interesting personally than theros. Most people aren't familiar with Mongolian culture, but that said, you can't go wrong with making it about dragons.
WovenNebula says... #2
Yes and no. I'm not really hyped for multicolor, since most blocks in the past were mainly casual playable for this type. The yes is for any reprints they will do and I would hope for new art on them.
August 16, 2014 8:22 p.m.