Where's the Wedges?
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Posted on Jan. 4, 2015, 10:15 p.m. by JPODS0717
So far, there have been no:
-White Mardu spoils
-Blue Temur spoils
-Black Abzan spoils
-Red Jeskai spoils
-Green Sultai spoils
I am not exactly sure what to think of this. There are many possibilties as to why this is:
-WotC has to save some things for last
-Wedges are being forced into the 2-color slot, accommodating the new dragons
et c., et c. What do you guys think of what is happening with spoils? Also, are they going to reprint the wedge lands? Can we find them in our basic land slot along with fetches and duo-lands?
Epochalyptik says... #3
WOTC specified that FRF wasn't going to follow the same wedge-driven design as KTK. It's going to be more monocolored with some wedge flair. If you'll notice, most of the monocolored wedge-related cards are printed in the mutual enemy colors of the other two colors in their respective wedges.
They've also already said that the fetches and the new refuges will be in the "land lottery" for FRF packs. No other lands are in that lineup. It would be mental to even try adding more to the pool considering there are already 15 of them, not counting the basics themselves.
Keep in mind as well that KTK block will eventually be divided by the new rotation scheme. KTK and FRF will rotate out, and the final set of the block will remain Standard legal (this happens a while from now, so don't worry).
January 4, 2015 10:25 p.m.
FatherLiir says... #4
I doubt we will see many multicolored cards other than the dual lands, and the legendary dragons.
Flavor wise, we are going back in time by centuries so these are the ancestors who lives, primary philosophies and habbits shape the history/future of tarkir. That's why we have Hybrid mana.
January 4, 2015 10:25 p.m.
Okay, so fate reforged isn't wedge based, which means we probably wont get more tricolor cards. Does that necessarily mean that we aren't getting anything for these wedges from those colors?
January 4, 2015 10:26 p.m.
Also I'd like to mention that there's 3 new wedge commanders spoiled so far (Yasova Dragonclaw, Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest, and Daghatar the Adamant)
January 4, 2015 10:27 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
Most of the important cards thus far are wedge-related in some way, but we probably won't be seeing too many multicolored wedge cards. Remember, sets are designed for drafting. Larger sets, like KTK, are in a better position to handle lots of multicolored cards because there's still plenty of room for monocolored utility, color fixing, etc. Smaller sets, like FRF, are in a worse position for multicolored support, so they tend to be largely monocolored with some wedge/shard/guild support as necessary.
January 4, 2015 10:30 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #8
We could still get tri colored cards, but it is unlikely. We will probably only get more monocolored cards with wedge inspired abilities (see cards like Soulfire Grandmaster).
That being said, it looks like we will be getting a Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker in this set, although I really hope they print a new version, rather than a simple reprint.
January 4, 2015 10:31 p.m.
FRF is meant to be a pivot of two big blocks that are meant to be draftred apart from each other. Khans was wedge, which is why there are cards with wedge like abilities. I dont see dragons having any wedge theme at all. It will either be shards or dual colors of some sort, as the clans would of developed differently with the dragons still present.
January 4, 2015 10:33 p.m.
I second that a new Nicol Bolas card (or dare I say cards) would be nice and likely
One can never have enough Nicol Bolas :3
January 4, 2015 10:34 p.m.
It would be really awesome if we got a new bolas! I pre-ordered two russian boxes of this set, so it would be awesome to pull a russian bolas.
On a completely unrelated note, I think this thread was misunderstood when i was looking for the wedges. There are NO sultai green cards spoiled so far (one of the examples listed above). None. Nada. Zip. There are no cards in those colors with nno abilities for hybrid, even.
January 4, 2015 10:35 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #12
The spoilers also aren't complete.
We're sure to see at least one card in the enemy color of each wedge with a hybrid ability for the other two colors.
January 4, 2015 10:42 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #13
I understand what you are saying. so there are essentially 2 possibilities. either A) they haven't been spoiled yet, or B) this is over 1200 years in the past, so the clans aren't really tri colored yet. You will notice that the spoilers have given us cards in 2 out of 3 colors for each clan, so maybe we will see more of a guild like focus in this set. they are the base color of the clan, an ally to that color, and they have not entirely embraced the enemy color yet. My assumption would be that the clans embraced the enemy color of the dragons attacking them. So Abzan embraced black because it is the enemy of green and white, which happens to be the colors of the legendary dragon that attacks them. I hope all of this made sense
January 4, 2015 10:44 p.m.
There's also another possibility that has to do with the blocks and the dragons:
The wedges main color wasn't the central color, instead being an enemy color (such as Abzan being very white based and Jeskai being very blue based). In the first set, they gave tricolors of essentially a combination of one enemy dual colored combination and one allied dual colored combination as a three color block.
My theory is that Fate Reforged will focus on the allied colored combination for each wedge and then Dragons of Tarkir will focus on the enemy colored combination.
Essentially, the combos will look like this:
Abzan: WBG in KTK, GW in FRF and WB in DTK
Jeskai: URW in KTK, WU in FRF and UR in DTK
Sultai: BGU in KTK, UB in FRF and BG in DTK
Mardu: RWB in KTK, BR in FRF and RW in DTK
Temur: GUR in KTK, RG in FRF and GU in DTK
This would allow them to focus on the aspects of two colors instead of having the three be important in three sets in a row. It also would allow a second legendary dragon cycle or enemy colored legends (which they need more of)
January 4, 2015 10:53 p.m.
Hootiequack says... #15
If I remember previous discussions on here well enough (as that is my sole source) I believe people mentioned there being a reason for the asymmetrical color schemes of the wedges. So to add ever so little to what others have said, I suppose that the reasoning behind the focal point of the wedge being one of the ally colors is so that you end up with the allied colors when you travel back in time. It makes more sense to cut off the enemy color than the other ally color. As far as the story goes, I don't know if there's something specific, and as others have pointed out, they could just be still coming. But my guess is that is simply due to the dominant colors of the Khans wedges.
January 4, 2015 11:03 p.m.
FatherLiir says... #16
Honestly I'm just hoping for ten guild colored dragons.
January 4, 2015 11:04 p.m.
Hootiequack says... #17
Man, dbpunk said essentially the same thing I was trying to say both better and quicker than I.
January 4, 2015 11:05 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #18
"There is only one planeswalker card in Fate Reforged." -Mark Rosewater
NB,P won't see a reprint, as MaRo isn't known to lie. He is known to bend the truth from time to time, but this one seems hard to misinterpret.
He's also stated that Planeswalkers won't appear as other card types, such as Legendary creatures, unless they're appearing pre-spark. I'm not well versed in MtG lore, so I don't know exactly how long Bolas has held his spark, but I imagine he's held it for a very long time, seeing as he's one of the oldest beings in the multiverse.
January 4, 2015 11:43 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #19
@NobodyPicksBulbasaur: That really sucks. with all of this stuff about the fight between Bolas and Ugin, I was really hoping to see them both. Crux of Fate really had me thinking they would both be there (because of the flavor text and the art depicting the 2 dragons fighting). Also, you are correct that bolas had his spark when he fought Ugin. (he had to get to tarkir somehow, right?) Also, can you link me the article where MaRo said that?
January 4, 2015 11:59 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas - it was said on his blog, that there is only one planeswalker in Fate Reforged. Also small sets usually only have 1 planeswalker.
That said, the template for the future is 3 planeswalkers in the large sets and 2 in the small sets once the new block structure takes hold. But yeah, only Ugin, the Spirit Dragon is in FRF. Also, don't hold your breath for a Nicol Bolas in Dragons of Tarkir, because I HIGHLY doubt he'll show up there. Narset on the other hand....
NOW, on topic. It's interesting that you've noted that. Again, we have only seen 1/2 of the set. But let's see how it pans out.
January 5, 2015 12:16 a.m.
If Ugin is the only Planeswalker card, the only way I can see to bend that would be a a Legendary Creature version of Sarkhan as this is his home plane. I think this is before his ascension, I just don't know how long before.
January 5, 2015 1:14 a.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #22
Obake: this set takes place 1280 years in the past. Sarkhan wasn't born yet. even if he was, I doubt they would have the pre spark Sarkhan there when the planeswalker version is the reason we are going back in time.
January 5, 2015 1:26 a.m.
There is a great possibility that Bolas WILL be legendary, if not a walker. Let's remember, kids. Nicol Bolas
January 5, 2015 11:10 a.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #24
JPODS0717: Bolas wont be legendary. He had to be a planeswalker to get to Tarkir. Also, he is like 25,000 years old or something ridiculous like that. His spark ignited 100s of centuries ago
January 5, 2015 11:29 a.m.
If there is to be a battle however big or small between Ugin and Bolas, it could mean a new bolas in DTK. Another reason for the color set up in FRF could be due to the fact that something happens back in the past and causes the clans or the dragons at least to go allied wedge which should set the stage for the grixis bolas. DTK may end up that way thus why its never drafted with KTK.
January 8, 2015 10:29 a.m.
i don't think that's gonna happen. It would require a lot of changes to be made to each of the clans including massive changes to playing styles. If you changed Abzan to a tricolored ally, you'd have three options: GWU, RGW and WUB are the only three options that would work. However, the playstyle of Abzan cards seen in this set so far doesn't use the fatties that would be needed for Naya, doesn't have the capacity for control that Esper needs to be run or the Bant abilities of evasion (this is noted from seeing a variety of different types of decks in those combinations). I wouldn't expect it. Nor do I really expect a Nicol Bolas for about a year or two.
If they're going to bring in a new bolas, there would have to be a better lore reason than the one they had for this set too. It's have to be post eldrazi beating, because that's the current crisis they must stop. And they'd have to create a new villain to replace him lore-wise. So my guess is it's a few years.
January 8, 2015 10:45 a.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #28
JPODS0717: They have begun to spoil the cards in the third color of clans (like Humble Defector, and what not)
angrychains says... #2
"Ktk set is wedge focused, "ktk block is not"
January 4, 2015 10:18 p.m.