Will there be any impact on modern or legacy?
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Posted on Feb. 1, 2014, 6:21 p.m. by VegetaWins_015
Cards from Theros and Born of the gods are out or about to release. Will anything reach an impact on the eternal formats such as modern and legacy?
Epochalyptik says... #3
Modern is not an eternal format. It's a non-rotating format. There's a huge difference. Cards from special products like Commander 2013 or Planechase 2012 or Duel Decks are legal for play in eternal formats, but they are not added to noneternal formats.
February 1, 2014 6:51 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #4
Spirit of the Labyrinth has seen a lot of speculation as an inclusion in Death & Taxes. Flashing it in with AEther Vial in response to a Brainstorm effect will be quite powerful.
Brimaz, King of Oreskos is almost guaranteed to see no play in Legacy, but could find a home in Modern. He could make a White Weenie deck a little stronger by giving it some value for 1 mana less than Hero of Bladehold .
February 1, 2014 7:26 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #5
I feel Spirit of the Labyrinth is a little too hyped. I mean, it stops Brainstorm , but it basically doesn't impact any decks any more than Ethersworn Canonist does, in fact, I think it'd stop less decks...
Brimaz, King of Oreskos vs Hero of Bladehold is such a tough choice for me too... Brimaz comes out a turn early, has Vigilance and creates tokens with it too... but Hero creates twice the tokens per swing, and they're basically 2/1 attackers in a deck that just wants to turn sideways...
I feel Brimaz has a home in Zoo Decks, but maybe that's just because he's another cat xD
Other than those two, just like everyone else has and will probably mention, there's not too many cards that stick out to me..
February 1, 2014 8:36 p.m.
Spirit of the Labyrinth
is not over hyped at all. This is a very powerful card in any format since most people rely on card advantage to win games. It throws a big wrench into most deck's game plan unless you reply on tutors to get the job done. I see this card as good enough to MB in many legacy decks.
Retraction Helix is another powerful card. I can see this being used in both legacy and modern.
I think Drown in Sorrow might find a home in Modern as well. Maybe just a SB spot, but a spot.
February 2, 2014 3:39 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
@Th4natos: I have to disagree about Spirit of the Labyrinth .
In Standard, it interferes with Sphinx's Revelation , but it seems like more of a board-in answer in most cases.
In Modern, it stops storm and cripples cantrip control, but it does absolutely nothing against Dark Confidant , which is the best card advantage generator in the format. Spirit of the Labyrinth is also a 3/1 without evasion, which means that it's not a viable combat creature unless you don't mind losing its ability, and that it dies to a stiff breeze.
February 2, 2014 3:56 a.m.
Honestly, the only card I think will see play in Modern is Brimaz, King of Oreskos .
February 2, 2014 6:58 a.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #10
Th4natos you're right, it does hinder a lot of decks plans. But again, it's not much different than Ethersworn Canonist . Both shut down Storm and Griselbrand's Glass Cannon, but I feel like they're not too different in how they do anything..
I mean, if you're playing Robots, one of those two is significantly better.. Steel Overseer pushes the Canonist out of Lightning Bolt range easy, and Spirit of the Labyrinth dies to a Spirit token from Lingering Souls
I'm not saying SotL is a bad card, because I absolutely LOVE hate/disruption. I just think it's overhyped.
February 2, 2014 9:33 a.m.
Also, Anger of the Gods , from Theros, will be in some sideboards. I use it in Modern and like it a lot.
February 2, 2014 10:09 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #12
I don't think so Jirayamo. I posted the same thing on another user's profile and had the same argument elsewhere. I'll just repost some of my opinions.
They key point is the creature part. Which means it supplements as a creature removal in RDW. However, the method of which it does it, is too slow for what you are going to be using it for. Mass-board wipes. In this case, a wipe like Pyroclasm is much better as you are killing everything you want in that turn, whereas Satyr Firedancer requires additional spells to do the SAME THING.
Now wipes also bring us to the second problem. Hexproof. A Pyroclasm can deal with hexproof, but Satyr Firedancer can not. And if we look at other forms of wipes like Anger of the Gods , wipes can also deal with graveyard shenanigans. Once again, Satyr Firedancer , can not.
Finally, we have a third problem. And that is the current status of Satyr Firedancer . It is a enchantment creature. Which means every single colour has an answer to it. Whereas Pyroclasm , only has to worry about protection, regeneration and counterspells.
Satyr Firedancer might see some sideboard play against something like Jund or Bug, considering that all their creatures besides a late Tarmogoyf can be targeted by it. Even then it won't be too much useful because once again, every colour has an answer to it.
If his text was the reverse; whenever a sorcery or instant spell you control deals damage to a creature an opponent controls, Satyr Firedancer deals that much damage to that creature's controller; I think it would be used a lot more, because this means you can focus on control and still do damage. However, as he is now, he won't be very useful as something like Pyroclasm does the same thing, but does it faster and better.
February 3, 2014 1:10 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #13
Honestly, when I looked at the BNG set, I was disappointed. The modern format will remain relatively untouched with this set. And because of the Modern ban/unban list I think they prepared the entire set this way. People will be too busy remaking Faeries, Zoo and maybe Reanimator, so WotC wants to see how that plays out for Modern first, rather than have to figure out whether or not the meta change in Modern was because of the BNG cards or because of the ban-list update.
February 3, 2014 1:19 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #14
I highly doubt that Wizards would intentionally make a dud set just to test the Modern metagame.
People tend to hate on the smaller sets in the block because they don't add as many eternal-quality spells as the larger sets. This shouldn't be surprising. First, the set is smaller, so it has an innately lower probability of producing a power card. Less rare slots means less chances for any of those rares to be relevant in any format.
Secondly, the smaller sets of each block are meant to fill out holes and enhance already existing archetypes. A lot of supporting cards are printed, with less emphasis on stand-alone heavy hitters. The combination of these two things leads to less potential for impact cards.
Also, the cards have only just now been spoiled. It will take months of testing and playing for some of them to be realized as either overhyped or undervalued. Nightveil Specter was a $1 rare for a long time before it was embraced (though I still think it's a pretty bad card).
February 3, 2014 3:29 p.m.
Searing Blood will likely see play in both legacy and modern.
February 3, 2014 5:41 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #16
Searing Blood is no different from Searing Blaze Sam_I_am. Thing is, Searing Blaze is much better because it doesn't require the creature to die. You just have to play a land, which you have a much higher chance of doing so than killing a creature in order to burn your opponent. And if you're thinking about using it on your opponent's turn, fetchlands.
The other thing you must consider, is that for Searing Blood to work, you MUST kill a creature, which against some decks like Hexproof it doesn't work very well. With Searing Blaze you can pop it whenever you want, and not have to worry about your opponent's board state.
It will however see some sideboard play for RDW for those who don't want to invest in fetches. As you don't really want this in the mainboard because of it becoming irrelevant against certain decks. If the meta turns out that the relevant chance of getting your opponent to play a 2 toughness or less creature is higher than getting a fetch, than it will be used over Searing Blaze , but for the moment, it won't. And you also have to consider that Searing Blaze is usually mainborded while Searing Blood won't be.
February 4, 2014 11:42 a.m.
THEBERALE02 says... #17
Searing Blood will see play, gets rid of bob, Deathrite shahman, guide.
If all else.fails just play.2 burn instants
February 4, 2014 5:02 p.m.
You've just said how Searing Blood
is no different than Searing Blaze
, and then went on to explain how they're different.
And that's exactly it. They are different. I think you're overestimating how easy it is to get a land drop when you need one. People might be cracking their fetches before they need to Searing Blood because they need to cast their Lightning Bolt s and Flame Rift s and Goblin Guide s and Keldon Marauders . in the matchups where you want Searing Blaze : maverick, elves, goblins, death & taxes, and to a lesser extent, delver you almost always also have targets for Searing Blood Lands, on the other hand, are a limited resource that you also have to use for your other spells. You won't always get one when you need it.
February 4, 2014 5:55 p.m.
VegetaWins_015 says... #19
so Searing Blood is great or no? I am kind of confused on the discussion over it.
February 4, 2014 7:19 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #20
I personally don't use Searing Blaze either. I remove all (as much as possible) forms of inconsistency from my own RDW, so Searing Blaze and Searing Blood are a big no-no. And it was late Sam_I_am, so forgive me on the misconception.
I believe that it is only going to be a sideboard card in modern SaiyenFury, as the requirement to your opponent having a specific board-state means it becomes a dead card in certain situations.
Lord007 says... #2
Spirit of the Labyrinth , Brimaz, King of Oreskos are two that stick out in my mind for eternal formats
February 1, 2014 6:33 p.m.