KOT
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Posted on Aug. 30, 2014, 10:34 a.m. by TheRedDude
Sam Stoddard gave us a little hint
What is this mysterious, high costed spoiler and how could it make a big splash in a 3 colored format?
I played DttD in ISD-RTR Standard Junk Ramp/Mid and raged my local FNM's with it.
August 30, 2014 10:53 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #5
I'm not sure, but with Quad black and a minimum mana cost of 6 that X better work wonders. The absolute max I see it ever being cast for is X=3 so to make a splash in standard it either needs to be a permanent or immediately win the game. It could be a black enchantment with "At the beginning of your upkeep each opponent discards X cards at random" but they don't like random discard and MBD doesn't need to remain a thing. Outside of that I don't see much being powerful enough to matter though.
August 30, 2014 11:07 a.m.
I'm thinking it'll just be another overcosted Exile spell comme Silence the Believers and Gild
August 30, 2014 11:09 a.m.
brokendwarf says... #7
Black Miracle. You know you want some Black Miracles.
August 30, 2014 11:19 a.m.
brokendwarf I would literally shit my pants and post a .gif for you guys if this is a black miracle
August 30, 2014 11:21 a.m.
TheRedDude says... #9
the only way for it to be playable would be for it to multiply x or have an even better effect than Sphinx's Revelation
August 30, 2014 11:29 a.m.
BlastercoolWeird says... #10
Was talking about this with a buddy of mine and he suggested it is A. A permanent with morph, so it would never be hardcast. or B. Some sort of Death Cloud variant, perhaps one-sided or C. one Jp3ngu1nb0y would love, Entreat the Demons
August 30, 2014 11:32 a.m.
OutspokenFerret says... #11
I think it's a creature... that does something to benefit creatures of another color, hence "Make a splash" referring to adding a color to MBD, or it is a "Wave" effect ie. Killing Wave . It could even be a mass recursion effect.
August 30, 2014 11:45 a.m.
@Gidgetimer I'm not even sure that's strong enough. Random discard on turn 6 (at the absolute earliest) doesn't seem to justify the cost.
If it's meant to be hard cast, it better be one hell of a spell.
August 30, 2014 12:20 p.m.
My guess is that this is a Morph card of some sort. The XXBBBB is either its normal cost and the Morph is more reasonable and splashable, or the normal cost is reasonable, but you get a huge effect if you can unmorph it for XXBBBB.
August 30, 2014 12:38 p.m.
TheRedDude says... #15
how about destroy x target creatures and gain life equal to the total toughness of creatures destroyed this way?
August 30, 2014 1:16 p.m.
MagicalHacker says... #16
Tutor for X creatures and put them on the field until end of turn?
August 30, 2014 2:05 p.m.
Target player discards X cards, loses X life and sacrifices X creatures. You gain life equal to sacrificed creatures toughness?
August 30, 2014 2:17 p.m.
BlastercoolWeird says... #19
Each Opponent gives You X Dollars.
Khans of Tarkir confirmed to actually be Un-Set 3
August 30, 2014 3:04 p.m.
Morph is the only thing that makes sense. hardcast xxbbbb, morph cast xbbb, face up/etb effect spawning 5/5 flying demon tokens ala Entreat the Angels
August 30, 2014 3:22 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #21
Search your library for any number of cards that cost X and put them into your hand, then shuffle your library.
August 30, 2014 4:03 p.m.
You may put up to X creature cards from your hand, graveyard, and library on the battlefield.
August 30, 2014 4:09 p.m.
Maybe a similar card to Death Cloud . That would be insane with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx and devotion!
August 30, 2014 4:25 p.m.
derKochXXL says... #25
Just a general thought, as I assume this is going to be a morph creature. But how awesome would off colour morph activation be? (Fun fact: In German "Kot" is a word for feces.)
August 30, 2014 6:41 p.m.
We have no idea what it actually is but I think BlastercoolWeird probably has it. Some type of effect where target opponent discards x cards, sacrifices x lands and x creatures, and loses x life. A one sided Death Cloud
August 30, 2014 7:51 p.m.
SimicPower says... #27
When I think 
for some reason I think of some Descent into Madness
variant.
We should get something big, though. Remember, the last time quadruple black was in a mana cost, we got Griselbrand . This should be... exciting.
August 30, 2014 7:51 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #28
PAX spoilers are up. One of the mechanics is delve (Tombstalker ). Perhaps it has delve?
August 30, 2014 10:19 p.m.
Irishduce2 says... #30
How about delve...? Like give all creatures -x/-x? It would technically be the four mana sweeper people wanted!
August 31, 2014 10:22 a.m.
OutspokenFerret says... #31
So I reread the hint and I think we are misinterpreting him. He has the cost going downward, not from left to right, as well as the X's being listed first. This leads me to believe that it has abilities ordering 2 X abilities and 4 Black abilities. Possibly a black Morphling or a Trading Post -esque artifact?
August 31, 2014 noon
BlastercoolWeird says... #32
what?
it's absolutely going left to right like a mana cost.
August 31, 2014 12:16 p.m.
OutspokenFerret says... #34
Sorry, the mobile client has them going down. but the weird order still has me in the same boat, as well as the spacing
August 31, 2014 3:42 p.m.
TheRedDude says... #37
OK, id like to say that since Stoddard said despite its pretty steep cost it would make a splash. This most likely means its meant to be hard cast, or he wouldn't have said despite it.
August 31, 2014 5:31 p.m.
BlastercoolWeird says... #39
idk when Wizard drops hints it's often worded in a way that will turn heads, because obviously they want to build hype. Theros had a similar hint which was 'a creature that, when it deals combat damage give you the effect of one of the power nine,' they were hinting about Medomai the Ageless a card that didn't actually do a ton in anything competitive, but I know I and a few others were excited about it. In this case the interest is generated by hinting at a clearly ludicrously expensive card that is apparently still good enough for standard.
I imagine the high casting cost will HAVE to be mitigated somehow because few X cost effects are worth playing 6+ mana for in standard.
August 31, 2014 9:10 p.m.
Eek... Dat cost dough. I feel it'll be some weird board wipe that gives you life or card advantage or something great. Or less it'll probably be some bulk rare no one will ever take a second glance at.
August 31, 2014 11:28 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #43
It's Empty the Pits...
Empty the PitsXXBBBBInstantDelve (Each card you exile from your graveyard while casting this spell pays for 1.)
Put X 2/2 black Zombie creature tokens onto the battlefield tapped.The Sultai would rebuild the empire on the backs of the dead.
Combine this with Necromancer's Stockpile ...maybe I'll play Zombies post rotation?
September 5, 2014 11:07 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #44
September 5, 2014 11:48 a.m.
TheRedDude says... #46
most likely gonna be t8-9 a few zombies. isn't a good wincon
September 5, 2014 3:32 p.m.
That is fucking atrocious. So you pay 8 for 2 2/2 zombies, or to make it cost effective you should be paying 4 so you need to exile like 4 things. That's feasibly. On its own it's crap. If you can support it with delve then it's playable. Instant speed is good.
September 5, 2014 3:33 p.m.
With all the support delve is getting, this card is more than capable of ending the game easily. Consider the following cards:
...and more help to fill the graveyard for this spell.
September 5, 2014 3:49 p.m.
It's not that fast though. Most of them are 3 or 4 drops that do a card or two a turn. In order to really impact the board you're going to want a lot of zombies - and that means you're going to want a lot of cards. Also remember that delve can't help with the really absurd BBBB casting cost.
September 5, 2014 4:06 p.m.
NixTheThird says... #50
I think the speed of the wincon will come down to if you can stack the multiple graveyard filling effects all at once rather than individual cards being fast or slow. With all the control that Sultai will have (Hero's Downfall , Sultai Charm , Negate , Bile Blight , etc) you will have some time to make the game go long and sit on an asencency, sidisi or jace for a couple turns. All the time you'll probably be pecking away at their health because you'll be killing their creatures and finding openings for Courser of Kruphix or sidisi. With all that said, you won't only have 4 things to get rid of in the grave when you crack this on turn 8-9 (if that's when you decide to hit them) because of all the control cards plus self milling you've been doing.
It isn't an Elspeth level finisher by faaaaar, but it still has potential. Frankly I think its absolutely correct to be more worried that the BBBB will hold it back more than anything else. But again, in a control scheme deck, I think it can work.
APPLE01DOJ says... #2
I dunno, Debt to the Deathless is the coolest card ever. Sadly only EDH playable :/
August 30, 2014 10:42 a.m.