All things Wolven
Standard Deck Help forum
Posted on March 26, 2016, 12:26 p.m. by clayperce
If you want to talk about Wolves and Werewolves in Standard, you're in the right place!
If you're looking for other formats, please drop by Werewolf EDH for Commander or Modern Wolves for Modern.
- You're 100% welcome to post here asking for help on anything Wolven, though you may want to set up a separate thread as well, in the Standard Deck Help forum.
- Please don't hesitate to post your deck in large format (it makes it easier for others to find the decks that are asking for help).
- Here's the syntax for a large format deck ... just copy-and-paste, replacing the "gruul-wolves-soi" part with the "slug name" from your deck's URL:
[[deck-large:gruul-wolves-soi]]
FNM (6 Jan 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): just-another-jundyard-dog-rec-12-5 by VexxValentine ($$$$)
FNM (23 Sep 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): Sköll Pack by GrimShock ($$$)
Game Day (13-14 Aug 2013)
- 2nd Place: An earlier version of RG Wolves (Post Kaladesh) by alexwilson (Heirloom, $$)
FNM (29 Jul 2016)
- 1st Place: Werewolf's hurt (budget) by Nicholade (Mono-Red, $)
FNM (15 Jul 2016)
- 1st Place: Werewolf's hurt (budget) by Nicholade (Mono-Red, $)
FNM (8 July 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): deck:naya-wolves-and-humans-bring-on-the-pain by snarlmkiv (Naya, $$)
Tues Standard (5 July 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): Fur-Force One by Teurastettava_Sika (Zada, $$)
FNM (1 July 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): deck:naya-wolves-and-humans-bring-on-the-pain by snarlmkiv (Naya, $$)
- 1st Place (3-0): Arlinn's Aggro Wolves by Jonnyradd ($$)
FNM (25 May 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): Naya Tokens 1st place FNM by kamerask (Naya, $$$$$$$$)
FNM (6 May 2016)
- 2nd Place (3-1): Baby I'm Preying On You Tonight [EMN] by BlueEyes (CoCo, $$$$)
GAME DAY (30 Apr - 1 May 2016)
- 1st Place: Bark at The Moon (Orig Preying Baby deck) by BlueEyes (Heirloom, $$$)
- Top 8: deck:gruul-werewolves-with-removal by snarlmkiv (Heirloom, $$)
- Top 8: Westvale Wolven High GAME DAY TOP EIGHT by Rabid_Wombat (Zada, $)
- Top 8: Wolf Pack Attack by deltacobra (Zada, Temur, $$$)
FNM (29 Apr 2016)
- 2nd Place (3-1): Wolves are back, Baby! by LoudWings (Skin Invasion, $$)
FNM (22 Apr 2016)
- 1st Place (4-0): Bark at The Moon (Orig Preying Baby deck) by BlueEyes (Heirloom, $$$)
- 1st Place (4-0): Dirty Dogs! by Nykona (Zada, $$)
- 2nd Place (3-1): Gruul Wolf Tribal by BoB_6082 (CoCo, $$$$)
Some great posts that will otherwise be totally buried as the thread grows ...
- An article about CoCo from Post #106: "I'd want 22 hittable creatures at the very least before putting Collected Company in my main deck. This gives a 5% chance of missing completely, a 21% probability of hitting one creature, and a 74% probability of hitting two creatures." Thanks, DaftVader!
- The budget Werewolf Quickbuild from the Top Deck podcast, at Post #198. Thanks, Spootyone and EAK1791!
- An explanation of Moonlight Hunt vs. Archangel Avacyn Flip, at Post #270. Thanks, AndyReveler!
- An article about shoring up weaknesses vs. playing to strengths in sideboarding, from Post #309.
- Wedge's video, R/G Werewolves "$20 Budget" Tribal Standard Deck Tech, from Post #396. Thanks, Axinoim!
- Posts about the Werewolf decks that tore it up at the SOI Standard Poor-Man Challenge (no Rares or Mythics allowed): Post #528, Post #644, and Post #650. Congrats to Kizmetto and magnetcrocodile (Round 2), Volvary (Round 3), and DruneGrey (Round 4)!
- A manabase article which describes the "right" mix of Shadowlands (like Game Trail), Battlelands (like Cinder Glade), and other sources, from Post #610. Thanks, Ryjo!
- A look at the numbers of Wolfs, Pump spells, and Lands in the SOI ZadaFur decks in the Hall of Fame, from Post #728.
- A look at Lambholt Pacifist 's performance in the World Championship and various Grand Prix, from Post #864. [Spoiler alert: She won!]
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Hello people, I would like to invite you to check out my deck thread, where I play a Naya Token deck with Silverfur Partisan and Arlinn with it to maximize its Token-producing potential and would like some suggestions or ideas. I would really appreciate it if you at least looked at it :).
Naya Tokens w/ Silverfur Partisan
Standard
SCORE: 1 | 118 VIEWS
Also planning on doing some versions of tribal werewolf deck. I had one sleeved a few weeks ago but was not really impressed with it, but after reading a few threads here I think there is still a way to go with them. What would you people recommend, what do you think is best suited for this standard meta (lets just say "overall" meta)? Midrange, Aggro, Zadafur, Control(jk :D, but it would be a funny thing to explore if it is possible to create an werewolf control deck :D)
May 5, 2016 7:07 p.m.
Duskwatch Recruiter Flip hurts my wallet... A full set is almost $15 -_-
May 5, 2016 7:08 p.m.
Axinoim well yeah, it kinda grew in price, but it is (presumably) the best werewolf card printed in SOI. Even found its spot in other decks like Bant Company, BG Cryptocrats etc. I bought 8 for myself when they were like 2 dollars each so I can use them in 2 deck simultaneously (which frankly is a pain in the ass with really expensive cards like Avacyn, Jace, etc.).
But yeah, Duskwatch Recruiter Flip is love, Duskwatch Recruiter Flip is life :D .
May 5, 2016 7:13 p.m.
@Axinoim: Wow, sorry to hear. come to Europe. Just checked MKM; A playset is 3 Euro right now which is about 3.50$
May 5, 2016 7:14 p.m.
Mironar: where in Europe do you live? In Austria a playset of those is about 8 euros :/
May 5, 2016 7:15 p.m.
kamerask: I live in Switzerland. But I order my cards on Magickartenmarkt.de where everybody can sell and buy cards. the cheapest playset on english near mint right now comes from Poland and is 74 cents per card.
May 5, 2016 7:17 p.m.
Probably a dumb question here.
Supposing I played GW Wolves and I had two Village Messengers out. Turn 3, i summoned Thalia's Lieutenant and the Messengers got +1/+1 counters.
Question. If the Messengers flipped, would the +1/+1 counters carry over to their werewolf cards too?
May 5, 2016 8:46 p.m.
The Messengers are the same creatures, so yes, the +1/+1 would "carry over". Better way to think of it is it's still the same card.
May 5, 2016 8:50 p.m.
Rabid_Wombat says... #11
Taking a new Wolven deck to FNM tonight- check it out!
May 5, 2016 10:40 p.m.
Yeah hope it goes well, I am still deciding to play wolves tomorrow or Anafenza Humans brew. My friend said he is probably building my wolf deck when I showed it to him yesterday, he's a big net decker so I took it as a compliment lol.
May 6, 2016 12:40 a.m.
Good luck to ya. I'm running the Green White Wolves deck tonight at FNM. I'll let you know how it fares out.
May 6, 2016 12:46 a.m.
bout to start fnm and built a heirloom blade deck with the zadafur combo in side. will let you know how it goes!
May 6, 2016 7:03 a.m.
A belated add to the Hall of Fame!
Just noticed that LoudWings earned 2nd Place at FNM back on 29 Apr 2016, with ...
Wolves are back baby!(?)
Standard
SCORE: 4 | 2 COMMENTS | 527 VIEWS | IN 1 FOLDER
Congratulations, LoudWings!
May 6, 2016 9:38 a.m.
So I ended up 3rd for tonight's FNM: 2-1
Using my deck:
Gruul Werewolves with Removal
Standard
SCORE: 16 | 18 COMMENTS | 4676 VIEWS | IN 30 FOLDERS
Evolutionary Leap has been a great help
First Match: 2-1 (against BW Vampires)Game 1 I lost because I ccouldn't remove Drana, Liberator of Malakir from the board. She just pumped and pumped...
Game 2: Drana was out by turn 4 but I had Fiery Temper in my hand. Lambholt Pacifist was buffed with Ashmouth Blade Flip to which the player had no answer for and I had 2 Howlpack Resurgence present.
Game 3: Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet was the biggest threat here but I simply cast Moonlight Hunt on him for 6 damage (2 wolves present at 3/3 with Howlpack Resurgence)... The game dwindled to board control to which I had the pressure because during combat phase, my dead creatures were sacc'ed in response to Evolutionary Leap so I just had creatures to play every turn.
Game 2: RG Landfall (0-2)Game 1 and Game 2 I had creature drought. I didn't draw creatures until turn 4 and it was already too late by then because the player ramped so fast.
Game 3: UG Mill (2-0)Game 1 and 2: I had Neglected Heirloom Flip as first drop for first turn then followed by either a Duskwatch Recruiter Flip or a Lambholt Pacifist Flip. Ever see a 7/7 first strike? Haha!
Evolutionary Leap is a god card and is a must for those running Zadafur combos.
May 6, 2016 12:08 p.m.
My FNM isn't until like, 4 hours from now. I will post in my update thread once its over wayy later tonight lol. (Central Time Zone, US)
May 6, 2016 4:19 p.m.
CliffAscent says... #20
I can't decide if R/G Tribal Werewolf (standard) should keep Lambholt Pacifist Flip or swap in Ember-Eye Wolf so I'm not so reliant on flipping, have a little extra haste, and have another ability to use mana on during my turn to pump and help flipping.
May 6, 2016 6:18 p.m.
Well my fnm was a complete flop, lost every match. My meta is very... no-creatures, like decks are all superfriends and seasons control and the like, no humans, no coco. like, everyone abandonded the creatures - which you think would be good right?
noooo... languish, grasp, ultimate price, god removal everywhere. I couldn't stick a damn creature! I lost 0-3 and dropped and went out to the pub for a drink with my mates i was so salty. anyway just an update. Evolutionary Leap was nice to have at least, when they did kill dudes i got more dudes.
May 6, 2016 8:39 p.m.
Rabid_Wombat says... #23
Went 1-1-1 with this deck at FNM last night.
1st game was against Eldrazi Red Thopter Ramp which exiled Zada from my hand like, 2 games in row :/
Stormchaser Mage starred with defense/kills vs thopter tokens and proved to have great synergy with Silverfur Partisan
Still, not a great match-up for an untested homebrew deck. Red Eldrazi played well was just too rampy and had too much direct late game damage for the Space Wolves to handle...and the discard sucked as well lol
0-1
2nd game- Space Wolven vs UB Control. We ended up 1-1 after some intense games. Getting the win with a +5 +5 unblockable Stormchaser Mage and high fiving some fat kid was the highlight of FNM. No time left for a decider. Great having Horribly Awry to sideboard in against Baby Jace and beefy Black hasty 5/3's
0-1-1
3rd Game- Tribal warfare! Space Wolves vs RG Wolves. Too many burn/counters in the first game forced the RG Wolves guy to concede early - I told him to grab a couple of Evolutionary Leaps for his deck. Second game I hit him with two sb'd Burn from Within in a row for 5 damage each then Lumbering Falls took him below 0
1-1-1
I have a similar meta in my area- which forced me to add Blue...Negate is MVP against superfriends andLanguish
May 6, 2016 10:55 p.m.
CliffAscent says... #25
I played FNM with my werewolf deck for the first time and Lambholt Pacifist Flip is for sure a great card! I managed to go 2-2 and learned a good amount. Time for some changes.
May 7, 2016 1:01 a.m.
FNM was draft as usual, but I played a standard deck that I've been working on,
Instant Wolves
Standard*
SCORE: 5 | 6 COMMENTS | 1646 VIEWS | IN 2 FOLDERS
, against a Tamiyo's Journal Combo deck. Went 2-0 against it, this deck hates to be pressured, I'm thinking about playing 2 Evolutionary Leaps and maybe some better value creatures, such as Tireless Tracker.
May 7, 2016 1:18 a.m.
Updated my deck to what I played today.
Baby I'm Preying On You Tonight (Game Day Inside)
Just need to update sideboard, lemme know what you guys think. (This is close to the original deck, just now finally have the cards I wanted)
May 7, 2016 2:06 a.m.
CliffAscent says... #28
I'm starting to feel Arlinn Kord Flip might be slowing down my deck R/G Tribal Werewolf (standard). What do you guys think? Should I trade the 2 Arlinn Kord Flip for 2 Pack Guardian or maybe another Ember-Eye Wolf and another Geier Reach Bandit Flip?
May 7, 2016 1:43 p.m.
" I'm thinking about playing 2 Evolutionary Leaps and maybe some better value creatures, such as Tireless Tracker."
evo leaps was great when I tested it. I feel that Tireless was also a good addition: card draw while having a good body (& +1/+1 when I crack a clue. made the difference one or two times.)
Werewolf T2
Standard
4 COMMENTS | 165 VIEWS
I did not reeally great during gameday (8/19 or 22 don't remember exactly) but it's because of my, not the deck. I made a lot of mistakes. a LOT.
May 7, 2016 6:24 p.m.
edit: the more I look at
Baby I'm Preying On You Tonight (Game Day Inside)
Standard
SCORE: 80 | 7 COMMENTS | 16608 VIEWS | IN 79 FOLDERS
the more I like it ... how did Nissa & sin prodder so far?
May 7, 2016 6:38 p.m.
kiochy:Very pleased with them actually, Nissa, Voice of Zendikar late game carries good advantage and survival. Great pumps early game as well.
Sin Prodder: Wolves gets people low quick, so them having to decide to take damage or give me more cards. Is a great thing.
May 8, 2016 7 p.m.
I'm thinking about going a bit lighter on the Werewolves in my deck; slotting in Tireless Trackers and other value creatures, maybe Sin Prodder, and using Cryptolith Rites to make the best use of board stalls. Thoughts?
May 8, 2016 11:01 p.m.
im a huge advocate for including non-werewolves in a 'werewolf deck' because those exact creatures are great value and should be played over 'less good' werewolves for those very reasons. Sin Prodder gives some card advantage or burn as well as Tireless Tracker giving incremental card advantage later game as well as being a threat on their own. Cryptolith Rite is interesting, i never thought about using it in a werewolf deck, like are you using it to ramp into a threat to break stalemates?
May 8, 2016 11:41 p.m.
Wolf of Devil's Breach is a glass cannon as well, especially when paired with a Sin Prodder. I side Wolf in my RDW and he's been one hell of a bomb with a big "KILL ME OR ELSE ILL KILL YOU" sign.
May 8, 2016 11:46 p.m.
I've been looking at Wolf of Devil's Breach a lot lately and cant decide if it fits better in a RDW build at the top of the curve or if its a build around me kind of card with high mana cmc to pitch to it or not. Im glad its goes well, it does look like the kind of 'deal with me right now' kind of card.
May 8, 2016 11:52 p.m.
I'm using it in my Silverfur Combo deck because you can use it to play Zada and then dump your hand when you're tapped out and then untap with Vines of the Recluse for a huge swing or combo off with a Fall of the Titans.
But, I'm also playing a non-combo CoCo build, so I'm thinking of taking a page out of BG Sacrifice and using it playing creatures on my turn, CoCo on theirs and end step crack clues and dig with Duskwatch Recruiter Flip's ability. Along with Sin Prodder, it sounds like an insane amount of card advantage, not sure what the best things to play that into would be. Maybe Dragonlord Atarka as a 2-of?
May 8, 2016 11:52 p.m.
Kizmetto I think if you really want to build with it, you want to be playing Madness. The weakness that the ability only targets creatures is a weakness, it would be a really good card with Menace stapled on. Then, because it triggers on attacks, you lose out on the good Vampires that have Madness and Haste. Maybe playing Alms of the Vein, Fiery Temper, or even Just the Wind would be viable with this. I think you want this to be in a midrange, really. I think Thunderbreak Regent would be a better finisher in RDW, but, again, I'm not sure.
May 9, 2016 12:03 a.m.
Outside of Zada combos, does Silverfur Partisan do anything other than bait a removal spell and leave a token behind?
May 9, 2016 1:20 a.m.
xcn I run with a non-zada deck and he's just there for the trample and the spell punishment. a handful of tokens is useful from time to time and with Howlpack Resurgence out, a 3/3 trample token is not to be taken lightly.
May 9, 2016 1:22 a.m.
AndyReveler says... #40
A note for those curious about Arlinn Kord Flip and whether or not to run her:
I've done a lot of play testing and researching (with help from y'all) with my werewolf deck and most recently, my Jund midrange deck Menace Jund, and I've tried to find a place for her because I, like most of y'all, was excited for the follow rat werewolf planeswalker. She's a good card, and can give you a boost, but she's not exactly a game winner. There's very few situations where I've ever found myself thinking, man I could really use arlinn right about now, and a lot of times when I've drawn her I'll wish she was something else like Collected Company. In my new deck however, she's been performing great, even better than Mindwrack Demon in some situations (both are cards you don't exactly want to play right on turn 4 coincidently). But in clear board she's actually pretty great. she manages to put you ahead by a creature one turn and with damage on the next, which is what Jund midrange is quite ok with. Most of the time she still dies to a spell if not to another creature, but she's still a threat people prefer to take care of right away, and that's one less kill spell for my creatures, which i don't run too many of.
tl;dr version: She sucks in decks that can't support her by clearing a path for her to take control and deal some damage, and put you ahead, but in either case, while her help is definitely welcomed, she's just not a card to rely on to win the game for you.
May 9, 2016 1:41 a.m.
AndyReveler says... #41
Wolf of Devil's Breach, I just don't see it, especially in red deck wins, it's just not fast enough like Stormbreath Dragon or Hellrider were. the only reason why I'll second guess myself is because it escapes Languish and Grasp of Darkness which are everywhere
May 9, 2016 2:10 a.m.
AndyReveler You're right about that one - escaping the -4/-4. In my playtests (i mained 2 Wolf of Devil's Breach) in my RDW with Sin Prodder. Thunderbreak Regent or Goldnight Castigator are more reliable win-cons.
Truth be told, Wolf was not needed for the win-con. I went up against my own Werewolf deck (piloted by my wife) for three games and won 2-1. But i feel like Wolf could be a decent sideboard for those who play out planeswalkers a lot - say, GW Tokens...
May 9, 2016 2:15 a.m.
"I'm thinking about going a bit lighter on the Werewolves in my deck"
do not limit yourself to Werewolf only, but at the same time be carefull that "not-werewolf" cards don't get Howlpack Resurgence's buff , don't work with Moonlight Hunt & don't get you a token with Silverfur Partisan
May 9, 2016 5:33 a.m.
I like Wolf of Devil's Breach as a two of at the top of a midrange werewolf curve, especially if you have any madness cards like Fiery Temper.
May 9, 2016 5:40 a.m.
kiochy I'm still going to be running around 21 wolves from my count and I only really use Moonlight Hunt. Resurgence is in the sideboard.
May 9, 2016 11:57 a.m.
Just limit yourself to value creatures as replacements for non-werewolf types. Like depending on how many creatures you run, if I run close to 30, 5-6 would by my max..Like how I have chosen Sin Prodder, Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip and Tireless Tracker..Each get me more wolves and card advantage.
May 9, 2016 3:10 p.m.
I'm slotting in 3 Trackers and 2 Sin Prodders, so I have 20 wolves and 5 non-wolves. I'm dropping Resurgence from the side, so only Moonlight Hunt and Vildin-Pack Alpha care about the type line.
May 9, 2016 5:32 p.m.
Hey everyone.
I would like to invite every single one of you to check out this thread All Things Red Deck for everything related to RDW and Mono Red Aggro and its deviations...
I was inspired by clayperce's actions of bringing us wolven players together, so I paid it forward.
May 9, 2016 11:04 p.m.
CliffAscent says... #49
Well my wolf deck is getting better, but Languish is killing me. How do you guys go about handling board sweeps, Languish specifically?
May 9, 2016 11:31 p.m.
Rabid_Wombat says... #50
I try to work around Languish by keeping a Duskwatch Recruiter Flip or Silverfur Partisan in hand so I can rebuild faster after the boardwipe.
Mironar says... #1
the deck's name is Temur Wave of Wolves
May 5, 2016 7:03 p.m.