All things Wolven

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Posted on March 26, 2016, 12:26 p.m. by clayperce

If you want to talk about Wolves and Werewolves in Standard, you're in the right place!

If you're looking for other formats, please drop by Werewolf EDH for Commander or Modern Wolves for Modern.

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  • 1st Place (3-0): just-another-jundyard-dog-rec-12-5 by VexxValentine ($$$$)

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  • 1st Place (3-0): deck:naya-wolves-and-humans-bring-on-the-pain by snarlmkiv (Naya, $$)

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clayperce says... #1

snarlmkiv,
CONGRATULATIONS and welcome (back!) to the Hall of Fame!!!

July 2, 2016 8:44 a.m.

Adam_Kaiser1 says... #2

Is Kessig Prowler gonna be the green one drop for Standard Werewolves?

July 2, 2016 8:48 p.m.

Kizmetto says... #3

I played in a Modern FNM with my list and went 2-2! Win games with surprise really, no one ever suspects the wolf hehe. but this is a standard discussion so i wont post about the games i went against.

July 3, 2016 8:50 p.m.

clayperce says... #4

Wedge just previewed [Spirit of the Hunt] over at The Mana Source ...

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Looks extremely sweet!

July 4, 2016 12:15 a.m.

snarlmkiv says... #5

Those big bootied wolves can now withstand Languish for three CMC...

July 4, 2016 12:28 a.m.

Kizmetto says... #6

We got sideboard tech! Though as Wedge said, 1 or 2 mainboard is still good since its a 3/3 for three and is COCOable!

Also has spirit benifits if you ever did a simic spirit deck for whatever reason? (Can give it hexproof i guess lmao)

July 4, 2016 12:32 a.m.

Adam_Kaiser1 says... #7

Okay, we need to start brewing a Budget And Competitive Werewolves Lists... And that wolf spirit is going to be most likely in both.

July 4, 2016 3:43 p.m.

foxysky says... #8

I love that new wolf card!!!! First time I am really excited about ENM ! It seems so good vs languish :d !! and even engulf the shore in some cases!

July 4, 2016 4:41 p.m.

GobboE says... #9

I am so looking forward to update my old Werewolf deck We're Wolves with the new cards....and to build a thematic werewolf EDH deck of course :)

July 5, 2016 7:01 a.m.

clayperce says... #10

Oh wow, we got a better Zada!

Silverfur Partisan + Zada, Hedron Grinder was just too fragile for my tastes. But with the addition of a bigger-badder Zada Mirrorwing Dragon, we may actually have a viable deck!

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Thoughts?

July 5, 2016 5:32 p.m.

hawk393 says... #11

I know.it is a combo.deck in itself but the zadafur deck was definitely too fragile. Once the opt knew what you were doing thet held all the counter and kill.magic for the combo pieces. The dragon definitely has a bigger body and more of a "love factor" from.me due to it only being a dragon. But, the same problem will still reside, it is going to be predictable so the only way I really see it being super viable: have it (and the combo pieces) in the sideboard for a game 2 different deck. At least thats what I am doing now. I have zadafur main and have my more aggro creatures in the sideboard for a new deck game 2. When i had it as my primary, the rest of the deck couldn't really support itself. Just my opinion

July 5, 2016 7:45 p.m.

snarlmkiv says... #12

Mirrorwing Dragon is the bomb that all Zadafur decks have been looking for.

Rejoice!

July 5, 2016 8:57 p.m.

Adam_Kaiser1 says... #13

Can't Sleep, Haven't Brewed In A Few Days... Why not try to get some advice on the Budget Werewolf Aggro Deck that I just finished the rough first draft in a total of 10 Minutes...

Budget Eldritch Werewolf Aggro

July 6, 2016 3:39 a.m.

clayperce says... #14

There's a new Zada-Silverfur deck in the Hall of Fame!

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Fur-Force One

Standard Teurastettava_Sika

SCORE: 1 | 2 COMMENTS | 164 VIEWS

Congratulations, Teurastettava_Sika!

July 6, 2016 10:08 a.m.

Zillabrony13 says... #15

New Werewolf player, looking for help with my Mono-Green Werewolf Deck called Howling in the Night.

July 6, 2016 7:34 p.m.

Zillabrony13 says... #16

Posted wrong deck, here's the right one. Howls in the Night (Mono-Green Werewolves)

July 6, 2016 7:36 p.m.

Jonnyradd says... #17

Here's a deck I ran this past weekend at a local tournament and placed first (3/0). It held up very well against B/U control and W/U control (not a single loss out of best-of-three to either). Eldrazi ramp played it closer for my toughest competition.

Arlinn's Aggro Wolves

Let me know if you have thoughts or critics of it. Also, I've enjoyed reading y'alls comments about the upcoming Eldritch Moon. I think I have all the adjustments in place I'd like to make once it hits.

July 6, 2016 10:13 p.m.

oxy117 says... #18

Here's mine RG WW Aggro, propositions are highly appreciated. :) Thx!

July 6, 2016 10:26 p.m.

Rabid_Wombat says... #19

Mirrorwing Dragon is going for $5 pre-order so grab a playset now before they double in price!

July 7, 2016 6:36 a.m.

snarlmkiv says... #20

I'm curious as to why the dragon's expensive tho.

July 7, 2016 6:59 a.m.

Rabid_Wombat says... #21

Mirrorwing Dragon will appeal not just to us Wolven fanboys/fangirls e.g UR Flyers, Esper Dragons etc..

July 7, 2016 7:06 a.m.

clayperce says... #22

I'm personally holding out for a while on Mirrorwing Dragon.

Dragons are a hugely popular tribe and most of the Mythics have held value. But I'm thinking about Avaricious Dragon ... it's really the only other Mythic Dragon with downside, and it's settled out well under $5 ...

(For those of you going "What's this downside you speak of?", please don't forget Mirrorwing Dragon is really dangerous when you're at parity on boardstate or worse. If an opponent casts a pump spell targeting Mirrorwing, all their Creatures get the pump :-( The good news though: Dromoka's Command won't work on it, since the spell has to target only Mirrorwing.)

July 7, 2016 8:18 a.m.

joshm5 says... #23

can anyone give me a suggestion on my blue and white human deck. I have 4 toppleists which is not a huamn but is my only flyer in the deck. I leave it in there so I can run invocation of the saint draft on and because it a 1 for 1/1 flyer. I am thinking of switching out the toppgesit and putting exedition fury. Should i make the switch? I also run counsl lieutent,, always watching, and thalia lieutenent to pump my humans

July 7, 2016 8:38 a.m.

clayperce says... #24

joshm5,
I recommend posting your question (and a link to your deck) in the Standard Deck Help forum.

July 7, 2016 8:46 a.m.

majtnkr says... #25

But the upside, clayperce, is that if they attempt to damage Mirrorwing Dragon, they will ALSO damage all of their own creatures... It appears to be a pumped Zada, Hedron Grinder

July 7, 2016 9:30 a.m.

clayperce says... #26

majtnkr,
Oh, I totally agree (see my Post #709, for example).
It just that the card's not all upside.

July 7, 2016 9:40 a.m.

clayperce says... #27

Zada's back!

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Gruul Wolves (EMN Zada)

Standard* clayperce

SCORE: 193 | 400 COMMENTS | 51562 VIEWS | IN 144 FOLDERS

Thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions!

July 7, 2016 2:21 p.m.

clayperce says... #28

For anyone contemplating a Zada/Mirrorwing/Partisan (what do we call that?) build for EMN, I wanted to share some of the numbers from the Zada decks in the Hall of Fame:

The breakdown on the pump spells is ...

July 8, 2016 7:41 a.m. Edited.

Adam_Kaiser1 says... #29

clayperce

Also, just noting this for the record; Saffron Olive has made a Zadafur Deck in Against the Odds.

July 8, 2016 1:10 p.m.

Ryjo says... #30

Zadawing-san?

July 8, 2016 1:17 p.m.

clayperce says... #31

Zada players,
What do y'all think about [Borrowed Hostility]?

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July 8, 2016 5:08 p.m.

clayperce says... #32

Adam_Kaiser1,
Yeah he did a clue-centric build back around Post #603. It wasn't an optimum build by any means, but it certainly looked like a fun one!

July 8, 2016 5:13 p.m.

Kizmetto says... #33

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This. Yes. Yessss.

July 8, 2016 9:03 p.m.

Rabid_Wombat says... #34

clayperce still holding out on Mirrorwing Dragon?

With Waxing Moon it looks to be the game winning combo our Wolven decks really need!

Thanks for the preview Kizmetto!!

July 8, 2016 10:10 p.m.

Rabid_Wombat says... #35

Or is Mirrorwing Dragon an illegal target? #goddammit

July 8, 2016 10:12 p.m.

clayperce says... #36

Rabid_Wombat,
Not at all; I'm totally brewing Zada-Mirrorwing (over here if you're interested)!

But you got it right in Post #734 ... Waxing Moon doesn't work with Zada, Hedron Grinder nor Mirrorwing Dragon. You can cast it no problem (due to the "up to one"), but since neither Zada nor Mirrorwing is a valid target, you can't "target only ~", so their triggers won't activate. :-(

July 8, 2016 10:22 p.m. Edited.

majtnkr says... #37

Sooo, clayperce, would borrowed hostility count as TWO targets in a ZadaWingFur deck, thereby doubling (or more) the wolf tokens if Escalate is utilized and properly targeted? Hmmmm....

July 9, 2016 8:27 a.m.

snarlmkiv says... #38

Bagged first place again for FNM with my Naya Wolves. Details to follow in an hour. :)

July 9, 2016 9:06 a.m.

snarlmkiv says... #39

or not...

Here's how my FNM went

Match-ups

1.) Atarka Red - 2:0

2.) Naya Superfriends 2:1

3.) 4C Rites - 2:0

First match: Atarka Red.

I first thought that i was goign against RG Werewolves when I saw Cinder Glade but I was wrong. This match-up was a surprise because I have not encountered this deck yet, but I do know that it was a burn deck of sorts. I just didn't know how it was played out.

So, early game, he had control. He drew out his burns and had his creatures out. I actually felt that I was going to lose, until I dropped Always Watching and Howlpack Resurgence. By then, I dropped creatures left and right till he could no longer burn them all. Atarka's Command was a problem, but it was manageable.

Second game, he took control early game till I top-decked Sigarda, Heron's Grace on my third turn. By the time I dropped her, I had Thalia's Lieutenant and Geier Reach Bandit out with an Always Watching and Neglected Heirloom attached to a Lambholt Pacifist. He just scooped after a couple of turns.

2nd match - Naya Superfriends

I thought I was going to lose this one because this guy was one of the best players in the shop and his deck was insane. Tokens here, planeswalkers there, and removals on the side. The only time I lost was I did not get Sigarda, Heron's Grace out to play and I didn't have my buff enchantments out.

We just fought out control until I managed to get rid of his planeswalkers - it was difficult because his tokens were chump-blocking left and right. He didn't have an answer for Sigarda, thankfully. He could've used Clip Wings but I didn't think he had it in his sides...

3rd match - 4C Rites

This deck just steamrolls past control decks, like 4C Rites, and when the momentum is there early, it pretty much hits hard and pressures the opponent into tilting. This could've been the best game since I made this deck because I had two Howlpacks and two Always Watching out so he just couldn't get rid of my creatures...

July 9, 2016 9:21 a.m.

clayperce says... #40

majtnkr,
It depends ... you can use Borrowed Hostility in a bunch of different ways.

Say you had Zada, Hedron Grinder, Silverfur Partisan, and a 2/2 Wolf on the battlefield and available. Cast Hostility for the Escalate cost, targeting only Zada with both modes. Zada triggers and the spell copies. Silverfur sees the copies target himself and the Token, so drops two more Tokens. If the spell resolves, Zada, Silverfur, and the first Token get +3/+0 and gain first strike.

Say you didn't have Zada though. You could still cast Hostility for the Escalate cost, targeting Silverfur with one mode (for example, the +3/+0 one) and the Token with the other. Silverfur sees the spell target himself and the Token, so drops two more Tokens. If the spell resolves, Silverfur (in this example) gets +3/+0 and the first Token gains first strike.

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July 9, 2016 3:14 p.m. Edited.

clayperce says... #41

Two more decks for the Hall of Fame!
Congratulations to Jonnyradd and snarlmkiv!

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Arlinn's Aggro Wolves

Standard Jonnyradd

SCORE: 5 | 6 COMMENTS | 2000 VIEWS | IN 1 FOLDER

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Naya Wolves and Humans - 1st Place FNM July 8

Standard snarlmkiv

SCORE: 22 | 12 COMMENTS | 2289 VIEWS | IN 11 FOLDERS

July 9, 2016 3:28 p.m.

Adam_Kaiser1 says... #42

Okay, Wolf Pack, I'm trying to working on my Budget Aggro Wolves and My Sideboard is slightly rough as I really want to throw in Sliverfur somewhere in the deck. I would really love some help in making this deck.

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Budget Eldritch Werewolf Aggro

Standard* Adam_Kaiser1

SCORE: 1 | 2 COMMENTS | 283 VIEWS

July 9, 2016 5:28 p.m.

AndyReveler says... #43

Its been a while since i've posted or been active and it might stay that way because i am just severely disappointed by not only the werewolves (Kessig Prowler  Flip might be the only one i use), but the set as a whole...i do not look forward to continue to see Bant and GW decks running rampant...

July 9, 2016 11:06 p.m.

clayperce says... #44

Catching up on a couple of comments ...

Rabid_Wombat,
I may have misunderstood your question on Post #733. I'm still holding out on purchasing Mirrorwing. I'll probably buy 'em next week, after the prerelease.

Zillabrony13,
For future ref, please don't hesitate to post your deck in large format (it makes it easier for others to find the decks that are asking for help). Here's the syntax for yours:

[[deck-large:howls-in-the-night-mono-green-werewolves]]

Please note though that this is a Standard forum; you'd probably get more/better advice by posting a thread over in Modern Deck Help

July 10, 2016 7:47 a.m. Edited.

clayperce says... #45

oxy117,
Circling back on your Post #717 ...

You may not have noticed, but you linked to a deck from DKA Standard :-)
For future ref, here's the large format syntax for yours (note the difference in the "slug name", found in the URL):

You linked to: 
[[deck:rg-ww-aggro]]
Yours is:
[[deck-large:rg-ww-aggro-1]]

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R/G WW Aggro

Standard* oxy117

SCORE: 2 | 2 COMMENTS | 152 VIEWS

July 10, 2016 8:11 a.m.

Vejhi says... #46

I completly agree AndyReveler this set is Nothing but bant and GW fuel.. So disapointing

July 10, 2016 8:40 a.m.

clayperce says... #47

Vejhi,
I think Hanwer Garrison, Liliana, the Last Hope, and Emrakul, the Promised End might have something to say about that. And I hope Mirrorwing Dragon and Waxing Moon will!

Either way, that's probably a better discussion for a General or Standard thread, rather than a Standard Deck Help thread about Werewolves :-)

July 10, 2016 8:55 a.m. Edited.

Vejhi says... #48

They're not bad no, but sadly i dont see anything that Will make Wolves competitive Waxing Moon is Nothing compared to Moonmist

July 10, 2016 9:08 a.m.

clayperce says... #49

AndyReveler,
IDK ... I was disappointed by the Eldrazi Werewolves at first but they're increasingly intriguing. They're REALLY good with Waxing Moon, because they don't transform back. And while Geier Reach Bandit  Flip + Waxing Moon is great with traditional Werewolves, it looks insane with Eldrazi Werewolves. And of course there's always RG Ramp, with plenty of mana for transforming them along the way. We'll see ...

July 10, 2016 9:10 a.m.

snarlmkiv says... #50

Seeing a lot of dual tribal potential coming from wolves this set...

July 10, 2016 9:31 a.m.

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