All things Wolven
Standard Deck Help forum
Posted on March 26, 2016, 12:26 p.m. by clayperce
If you want to talk about Wolves and Werewolves in Standard, you're in the right place!
If you're looking for other formats, please drop by Werewolf EDH for Commander or Modern Wolves for Modern.
- You're 100% welcome to post here asking for help on anything Wolven, though you may want to set up a separate thread as well, in the Standard Deck Help forum.
- Please don't hesitate to post your deck in large format (it makes it easier for others to find the decks that are asking for help).
- Here's the syntax for a large format deck ... just copy-and-paste, replacing the "gruul-wolves-soi" part with the "slug name" from your deck's URL:
[[deck-large:gruul-wolves-soi]]
FNM (6 Jan 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): just-another-jundyard-dog-rec-12-5 by VexxValentine ($$$$)
FNM (23 Sep 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): Sköll Pack by GrimShock ($$$)
Game Day (13-14 Aug 2013)
- 2nd Place: An earlier version of RG Wolves (Post Kaladesh) by alexwilson (Heirloom, $$)
FNM (29 Jul 2016)
- 1st Place: Werewolf's hurt (budget) by Nicholade (Mono-Red, $)
FNM (15 Jul 2016)
- 1st Place: Werewolf's hurt (budget) by Nicholade (Mono-Red, $)
FNM (8 July 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): deck:naya-wolves-and-humans-bring-on-the-pain by snarlmkiv (Naya, $$)
Tues Standard (5 July 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): Fur-Force One by Teurastettava_Sika (Zada, $$)
FNM (1 July 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): deck:naya-wolves-and-humans-bring-on-the-pain by snarlmkiv (Naya, $$)
- 1st Place (3-0): Arlinn's Aggro Wolves by Jonnyradd ($$)
FNM (25 May 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): Naya Tokens 1st place FNM by kamerask (Naya, $$$$$$$$)
FNM (6 May 2016)
- 2nd Place (3-1): Baby I'm Preying On You Tonight [EMN] by BlueEyes (CoCo, $$$$)
GAME DAY (30 Apr - 1 May 2016)
- 1st Place: Bark at The Moon (Orig Preying Baby deck) by BlueEyes (Heirloom, $$$)
- Top 8: deck:gruul-werewolves-with-removal by snarlmkiv (Heirloom, $$)
- Top 8: Westvale Wolven High GAME DAY TOP EIGHT by Rabid_Wombat (Zada, $)
- Top 8: Wolf Pack Attack by deltacobra (Zada, Temur, $$$)
FNM (29 Apr 2016)
- 2nd Place (3-1): Wolves are back, Baby! by LoudWings (Skin Invasion, $$)
FNM (22 Apr 2016)
- 1st Place (4-0): Bark at The Moon (Orig Preying Baby deck) by BlueEyes (Heirloom, $$$)
- 1st Place (4-0): Dirty Dogs! by Nykona (Zada, $$)
- 2nd Place (3-1): Gruul Wolf Tribal by BoB_6082 (CoCo, $$$$)
Some great posts that will otherwise be totally buried as the thread grows ...
- An article about CoCo from Post #106: "I'd want 22 hittable creatures at the very least before putting Collected Company in my main deck. This gives a 5% chance of missing completely, a 21% probability of hitting one creature, and a 74% probability of hitting two creatures." Thanks, DaftVader!
- The budget Werewolf Quickbuild from the Top Deck podcast, at Post #198. Thanks, Spootyone and EAK1791!
- An explanation of Moonlight Hunt vs. Archangel Avacyn Flip, at Post #270. Thanks, AndyReveler!
- An article about shoring up weaknesses vs. playing to strengths in sideboarding, from Post #309.
- Wedge's video, R/G Werewolves "$20 Budget" Tribal Standard Deck Tech, from Post #396. Thanks, Axinoim!
- Posts about the Werewolf decks that tore it up at the SOI Standard Poor-Man Challenge (no Rares or Mythics allowed): Post #528, Post #644, and Post #650. Congrats to Kizmetto and magnetcrocodile (Round 2), Volvary (Round 3), and DruneGrey (Round 4)!
- A manabase article which describes the "right" mix of Shadowlands (like Game Trail), Battlelands (like Cinder Glade), and other sources, from Post #610. Thanks, Ryjo!
- A look at the numbers of Wolfs, Pump spells, and Lands in the SOI ZadaFur decks in the Hall of Fame, from Post #728.
- A look at Lambholt Pacifist 's performance in the World Championship and various Grand Prix, from Post #864. [Spoiler alert: She won!]
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Hello all Wolf lovers
I have updated my Werewolf deck, wich chrushes my fnm's and all my friends in standard. I have added a sideboard and a maybeboard.I have aswell added and removed some card from the deck. :)
Good day all wolfes :D http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/werewolfs-hurt/
August 6, 2016 1:22 p.m.
XxXScorpionXxX says... #3
Whats up guys, posting my standard wolve deck for suggestions.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-08-16-bad-moon/
August 7, 2016 10:14 a.m.
XxXScorpionXxX says... #4
August 7, 2016 11:07 a.m.
XxXScorpionXxX,
I know it's obvious, but not everyone on this thread is a guy. Sure, I know "guys" is a gender-neutral term in many areas, but it's not everywhere. Thanks!
August 7, 2016 2:07 p.m.
XxXScorpionXxX says... #6
What would be a better term for referring to a group of people? I've heard girls call out to their friends "hey guys" I never thought it was anything but gender neutral.
August 7, 2016 3:51 p.m.
XxXScorpionXxX,
On T/O, I usually use "all" or "everyone". IRL, I usually use "y'all" :-)
Bottom line, IMO: More inclusive = more better.
August 7, 2016 4:06 p.m.
XxXScorpionXxX says... #8
I'll keep that in mind. Anyway do y'all have any suggestions one how to make my deck more competitive?
I was almost thinking of going Coco with 28-32 creatures.
August 7, 2016 4:14 p.m.
Here's how I would write your Comment above, if you don't want to use "y'all":
"I'll keep that in mind. Anyway does anyone have any suggestions on how to make my deck more competitive?"
August 7, 2016 5:09 p.m.
Not standard but my modern werewolf deck has been doing well :) just a little update. 2-2 at modern fnm is pretty good, stands well against affinity, tron and infect. jund is a little hard, i won with a top deck coco but otherwise was lucky with top decks. i beat eggs even. the matches i am losing are the matches where i get mana screwed, which happens a fair amount until i checked and there was 20 land! not enough at all. (the two matches i lost at fnm this week was jund but went 1-2 against them at least)
it definitely surprises people.
August 7, 2016 10:06 p.m.
XxXScorpionXxX,
If you're thinking about CoCo Wolves, I'd definitely check out Baby I'm Preying On You Tonight [EMN] by BlueEyes.
August 8, 2016 6:57 a.m.
Hey all! I am wondering if an Aggro werewolves collected company deck would work well in EMN Standard. G/R Werewolves Aggro Company
I thought about replacing some of the creatures with instants and putting Mirrorwing Dragon. Any input is welcome thanks!
August 8, 2016 noon
Trying to do CoCo and Mirrorwing+instants at the same time won't work well. You'd be better off focusing on one or the other.
August 8, 2016 12:20 p.m.
whompkin do you have any suggestions on improving the company deck?
August 8, 2016 12:52 p.m.
Quick ruling question; does a spell like Atarka's Command (Creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain reach until end of turn) trigger Silverfur Partisan's ability?
August 8, 2016 2:23 p.m.
lukeobannan says... #16
No, Atarka's Command does not target a creature, and Silverfur Partisan is triggered by a spell that targets.
August 8, 2016 3:23 p.m.
So basically, unless the spell specifically states "target creature" Silverfur Partisan won't trigger?
You have to excuse me, I'm still green. :)
August 8, 2016 3:43 p.m.
Ye Olde Magic Targeting Rule Clarification. For a spell, ability or anything in magic to Target something, the word "Target" must specifically be used on the card. Blanket effects and even "Choosing" doesn't actually Target.
For exmaple: Bolster 1. (Choose a creature with the least toughness among creatures you control and put a +1/+1 counter on it.) Sense the word Target isn't used, Bolster doesn't "Target" and wouldn't trigger Silverfur.
Wizards is generally better about wording than they used to be, but the simple answer is: Yes, the card must say "Target."
Unrelated
For my part, as a native of New England, if you are from certain parts of the country, you generally hear "guys" used 100% gender neutral. It was only after I moved out of New England that I ever had anyone look at me weird for using "Guys" to refer to a group that included women. Neither party should take offense, just a bit of culture shock brought to us by the wonderful bridging device, the internet.
August 8, 2016 4:14 p.m. Edited.
kshock68,
Exactly right. And no problem at all on being 
!
By the way, one thing that some new players don't realize: Silverfur triggers "Whenever ~ becomes the target ...". Since targets are chosen and Wolf tokens are put onto the battlefield as the spell is cast, that can lead to some interesting effects. For example, you get the tokens even if the spell doesn't resolve. And some spells, if they do resolve, can really benefit from the extra token(s) ([cough] Might of the Masses [cough]).
August 8, 2016 4:19 p.m. Edited.
Wolfshadowwind says... #20
Wolf
Standard
3 COMMENTS | 41 VIEWS
Looking for help with this deck want to run it on game day. Not using a lot of wearewolves cause getting them to stay flipped is hard where I play (lots of blue white spirit decks with low mana cost. Most of them stay getting 2 to 3 spells off easily and the aggro decks I face have no problem casting two spells on their turn) I use timberpacks as the brutes here trying to get 4 out with sigil of valor and the stoneforged master work to get a big swing in. Then assembled alphas as a back up for the 3 damage to blockers was thinking of trying to get the shield that gives vigilance on them to use them as attackers and blockers. Side board was set up to hurt flyers. So far the deck is 50/50. I'd love any suggestions or feedback to try to place on game day since its the last tournament around here before rotation and I lose timberpacks.
August 8, 2016 5:28 p.m.
yea the gender neutral thing of "guys" is the same in australia no matter what part you go to. example "hey guys whats up?" the other one we use is mate, everyone is our mate in australia even if they arent your "mate", example "hey mate how was the footy last night".
August 8, 2016 8:02 p.m.
XxXScorpionXxX says... #22
Why doesn't Messenger show the "flip" next to its name the way all the other flip cards do? Is this a glitch with the site?
August 9, 2016 12:41 a.m.
Hello all,
Looking for a little help with the deck, but (so far) it is the fastest thing on 2 legs I can make. I still like to keep the extreme pressure and aggro feel. The sideboard needs the most help, it is still the same as it was back when it was just a gruul dragons deck. that being said, maybe go for a burn sub-theme in the SB? Let me know what you think, and don't be afraid to hurt my feelings, I can take it!
August 9, 2016 4:01 a.m.
ManaAddict says... #24
Hello, I havent posted here in a while just because I got discouraged from wolves a little while back, but I'm here to try again haha. So yea, here's the deck, if you'd like to take a look. Lots More Teeth for Eating You Whole
August 9, 2016 6:41 p.m.
bobcharles says... #25
Howdy folks, looking for advice on what to do to make my deck(s) a bit more competitive without having to spend a ton. I've avoided Collected Company as it'll be rotating out soon, and dumping $70-80 on four cards for FNM is probably not a good idea.
I was thinking about replacing the Ulvenwald Captive Flips with Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip, but she's pricey and Origins will be out soon as well.
Any advice is appreciated, thanks.
August 13, 2016 2:04 a.m.
Alexxdotcom says... #26
I would love a hand at looking at my deck. New to magic, and started at the tail end of SOI I have always had an interest it playing werewolves but people consistently tell me there no good, with EMN I feel like i could maybe be competitive at some FNM.
G/R woah-wolfs
Standard
78 VIEWS
August 13, 2016 2:21 p.m.
alexwilson says... #27
Hey guys. So I took my wolf deck to a game day today and they did pretty well if I do say so myself so I thought I'd give the tournament report and repost my list.
Match 1 vs Redwhitegreen control (feat. dragonlord atarka, chandra, nahirim, Gisela, dec in stone etc.) Wolves win 2-0, his deck was just too slow and didn't sweep my board fast enough had wrecked him by like turn 6 both games.
Match 2 vs BW control (the Pro-tour winning deck with Liliana, Obnix etc.) Wolves lose 2-0, such a horrendous match up, coupled with really poor starts resulted in a crushing defeat. Only positive thing I can say is display of dominance put in work in game 2!
Match 3 vs Aristocrats with coco. Wolves win 2-1. Pretty close match up but they struggle with the speed of the deck and Howlpack Resurgence gives them a really hard time. Spirit of the hunt flashing in and blocking sylvan advocate hurts them a fair bit. Advice wise, never let the duskwatch recruiters flip in their upkeep and kill the zulaport cutthroat as fast as possible!
Match 4 vs mono-red burn/thermo alchemist turbo Wolves win 2-0. Basically, I managed to kill thermo alchemist before it did too much damage every time using moonlight hunt and arlin, embarced by the moons 3 damage ability. This burn deck struggles without it and Spirit of the Hunt puts in mad work saving wolves from all of their damage based removal.
Match 1 of top 4 cut vs Bant Control Wolves win 2-0. Somehow I scraped the top 4 cut off 3 out of 4 wins and was matched against this undefeated guy. Fortunately for me I had very nice aggressive starts, he lost a sylvan advocate to a blocking spirit of the hunt once or twice and didn't draw enough land really in both games so WOLVES MADE TOP 2 WOOOOO!
Match 2 of top cut (finals) vs. Demonic Pact (yep that's right) Wolves lose 2-1. I can't even believe how close this was, the guy was undefeated and had trashed the guy playing the pro-tour number 1 deck. Game 1 I got him down to six life, then he gave me demonic pact for the loss. Game 2 I drew like a God (destroyed one demonic pact with display of dominance), played super agressively and beat him by something like turn 6. Game 3, he opened amazingly played the first demonic pact and I thought I might be able to win before he was able to give it to me for game (I had him at about half life-ish I think), unfortunately he played a second demonic pact meaning that (due to the life gain effect) the turn before he gave me the first one for game I could only get him down TO 1 LIFE!!!
So all in all a pretty good day for wolves which ended up in 2nd place!
List is below (side didn't have decimator of provinces as it didn't arrive in time and had a 3rd Ulrich instead. Will be finding space for a 3rd display of dominance in the sideboard after today)
August 13, 2016 4:55 p.m.
alexwilson,
CONGRATULATIONS on the 2nd Place Game Day finish! It's SO COOL to see a Wolf deck perform! Also, thanks tons for the match-up report!
One point though: I know it's obvious, but not everyone on this thread is a guy. Sure, I know "guys" is a gender-neutral term in many areas, but it's not everywhere. Thanks!
All,
Please join me in welcoming alexwilson to the Hall of Fame (EMN Standard)!
RG Wolves (Post Eldritch Moon)
Standard*
SCORE: 2 | 9 COMMENTS | 396 VIEWS
August 13, 2016 9:15 p.m.
Just joined the community so that I could join this thread exclusively. I'm looking to play R/G Werewolves in standard as I don't see anyone else trying it competitively. I'll post my deck below and if you have any help or suggestions please let me know. I welcome all opinions.
Hey check out my deck R/G Werewolves (EMN)
August 14, 2016 11:52 p.m.
Hey everyone.
So we have this regular who's a returning MTG player, but he's recently come up on hard times so he wasn't able to make his deck in time for Game Day. He was pretty down about it.
So my friend and I decided to pitch in for this guy (he knows him), and we decided to make him a Werewolf deck (because he told my friend that it's what he wants to run). As an act of paying it forward to the community, we made this deck for him called Decimator Wolves.
Mono Green Stompy Decimator Wolves
Standard
SCORE: 1 | 1 VIEW
I would appreciate everyone's comment and feedback on how to make this deck better. We will be giving this deck before Friday (his birthday).
August 15, 2016 12:30 a.m.
So for game day, i came 12th, i did amazing.
My deck on tapped out is similar to what i ran just it isnt what i ended up running.
PS. There was only 12 people playing haha
August 15, 2016 8:08 p.m.
alexwilson says... #32
clayperce thank you very much it was a very enjoyable event! I apologise for the term 'guys' I regularly use it as a gender neutral term but I'll try my best to stick to terms that are less likely to come across as sex/gender exclusive. Thanks again for the hall of fame addition!
August 19, 2016 1:41 p.m.
bobcharles says... #33
I've been tinkering again and came up with this. It's only gone through basic playtesting, but some friends and I spent some time theory-crafting the possibilities. I'd love to know what you guys think, assuming anyone still cares about wolves.
Speedy Wolves
Standard*
18 VIEWS
August 23, 2016 12:26 p.m.
xtopazinferno says... #34
Can you look at my werewolves deck? It was a budget one, and it needs a little bit of work, but is almost there.
R/G Werewolves
Standard
SCORE: 1 | 335 VIEWS
August 23, 2016 8:07 p.m.
Kessig Moonrise
Standard*
SCORE: 3 | 1 COMMENT | 437 VIEWS | IN 1 FOLDER
I'd really appreciate comments, spent a lot of time revising this deck repeatedly but I haven't had much in the way of feedback. I'm confident in the deck now, but If anyone sees something that could be improved let me know :)
August 24, 2016 4:42 p.m.
So, after looking through 'Take The Crown' there were 7 reprinted cards and a single new wolf creature card that caught my eye as being possibly useful for wolven decks.
Fang Of the pack The only new wolf creature in the set.
Irresistible Prey Using this to trigger a Silverfur Partisan + Zada, Hedron Grinder combo could be really strong.
Burn Away Good sideboard card for any deck really, end's delirium decks on the spot.
Gruul War Chant Maybe a good late game sweeper card if you can get a few strong flipped wolve's out.
Beast Within Imagine turning a freshly summoned Emrakul, the Promised End into a 3/3 beast. sound good for a sideboard.
Flame Slash Cheap Removal.
Lace with Moonglove Looks really damn good with Silverfur Partisan + Zada, Hedron Grinder , Giving your whole board deathtouch and spawning token's.
Berserk Another great card for the combo, Wipe out everything with Silverfur Partisan + Zada, Hedron Grinder
If anything else from the set stands out to you please share :)
August 25, 2016 1:58 a.m.
Yashima, Conspiracy cards are not legal in Standard/Modern unless they were printed in a Standard legal set. Those cards are all good, but they will not be usable in Standard.
Also, Emrakul, the Promised End has protection from instants, so Beast Within would not be able to target her.
August 25, 2016 9:13 a.m.
August 25, 2016 11:36 a.m.
VexxValentine says... #39
so does anyone have thoughts on Zada, Hedron Grinder\Mirrorwing Dragon+Silverfur Partisan and then casting a Make Mischief targeting zada or mirrorwing to put x devil and x wolves onto the battlefield where x is the number of wolves that were targeted. also Make Mischief does work since it only targets one creature and produces a token afterwards
August 28, 2016 9:50 a.m.
It's the first i have heard of it, and it should work well. for the zada-silverfur combo I personally prefer playing 1 mana instants, so i can drop zada and target him on the same turn before he gets removed. Once that's done you usually have the game in the bag, in my experience anyway.
August 28, 2016 10:45 a.m.
VexxValentine,
I love the effect, but prefer Dual Shot to Make Mischief.
August 28, 2016 11:59 a.m.
VexxValentine says... #42
well Dual Shot doesnt work if youre trying to ping something of yours while hitting another creature, since then the mode of the spell will be 2 targets and not 1 target
August 29, 2016 7:46 a.m.
VexxValentine,
Right. You have to set the "up to two" clause to "one" :-)
August 29, 2016 8:09 p.m.
The problem is that each copy of Dual Shot is required to target only one as well. You don't get to select second targets for each copy. Every copy has to do the same as the first, so all you get from this is 1 damage to all of your creatures. Make Mischief on the other hand creates a creature for every target, a creature that deals 1 damage when it dies.
August 30, 2016 8:16 a.m.
Dual shot is for silverfur. You get a wolf token for each wolf targeted by dual shot. with zada in play you get X wolves, but when he's not you typically get 2 of them.
I think Make Mischief + Mirrorwing Dragon would be good in a mono-red deck with more devils, so they blow each other up.
August 30, 2016 9:17 a.m.
If it's for Silverfur+Zada, why would I choose Dual Shot over Expedite, Rush of Adrenaline or Titan's Strength?
August 30, 2016 9:26 a.m.
Because you don't need zada in play to get 2 tokens for 1 mana at instant speed. I run more copies of Might of the Masses and Titan's Strength in my deck, but Dual Shot has its uses.
August 30, 2016 9:32 a.m.
I've never seen anyone use Second Harvest with the Silverfur Partisan + Zada, Hedron Grinder combo, (or Mirrorwing Dragon )I'll test it later and see how well it works, sounds like a way to double a ton of tokens.
August 30, 2016 6:02 p.m.
In that situation would't casting a spell like might of masses targeting zada be more effective than Second Harvest? Not only would you get a copy of each wolf token, you get a wolf token for each non-token wolf plus the stat bonus the spell provides to all creatures.
August 31, 2016 5:37 a.m.
For me, the single most direct path to victory with Silverfur+Mirrorwing involves Might of the Masses and Shrill Howler Flip. The idea being to ramp up crazy numbers with Silverfur and Mirrorwing and get a massive Shrill Howler that is basically unblockable. Shrill Howler Flip also works as a great plan B if the combo gets prevented, he can still make great use of power buffing spells and steal the game.
The problem the Silverfur+Mirrorwing/Zada combo faces in standard is that all of the top decks run enough spot removal to prevent the combo from activating. With Reflector Mage, Declaration in Stone and all of the black and red spot removal out there, you basically should not plan on any threatening creature you played during your turn, surviving your opponents turn. Especially with how much of the spot removal is creature based, which means Silverfur and Mirrorwing's abilities don't trigger. To me, the best chance to win is to drop them both on the same turn with mana left over to combo with so opponents don't have time to prevent it.
This is the reason I run Eldritch Evolution, because instead of needing 7 mana to get Zada/Mirrorwing and Silverfur out on the same turn, I only need 6 and a sacrifice. If I've built up 8 total mana to spend, I have room left to play Expedite, Might of the Masses or Rush of Adrenaline. This still requires that you to stay alive for 8 turns to get there.
I think, sadly, that this combo is stuck in casual games only. Spot removal is too reliable to attempt to curve out into the combo, because there is no reason your opponent should ever leave Silverfur on the field long enough to get out Zada/Mirrorwing. Especially if they have the bane of this combo, Reflector Mage. Seriously, that guy perfectly counters this entire thing without even triggering Silverfur's ability and of course he's like the most played creature in standard right now.
Caran_Lyg says... #1
Here's my Wolf deck : G/R Werewolves
August 6, 2016 3:30 a.m.