Help choosing a path for Odric
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Posted on June 13, 2016, 11:37 p.m. by JANKYARD_DOG
Hey all, me again. Looking to get some help on an issue I'm having with this particular deck. I can't decide on a direction to take. So far this seems like an extremely fun deck to pilot in testing, and I would like to finalize before making purchases/trades.
Here's what it is currently:
Odric Likes All The Fixin's
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Currently, Odric, Lunarch Marshal is the decks spine so to say. I am working on trying to make it so it is still the theme, but not exactly completely reliant on him. The closest I got in the current build is a 'Man Land Support' sub theme with Sylvan Advocate and Man-lands, unfortunately it isn't enough. As for the alternatives, we have an option a) and b).
Option A consists of making Sigarda, Heron's Grace the top of the curve, and replacing most creatures with 'Keyword' Humans. Doing so however loses a lot of the double keyword creatures, but allows for the majority to be protected by Sigarda.
Option B makes Mindwrack Demon share the top of the curve with Odric, but gives an alternate Wincon that also syncs with Odric himself. This includes every possible double keyworded creature possible (mostly included in current build, maybe board included). Delirium isn't impossible to achieve, but no dedication to achieving it. Also, with all the damage I'm already doing to myself, I am not sure it is worth the risk.
That is all for now. If you need clarification on anything, feel free to ask. As always thanks for the interest, and suggestions.
JANKYARD_DOG says... #3
Anything else to add to that? In would like the know the reasoning behind that. Seriously, is it the creature or just delirium in general you're saying is strictly 'build around'?
As I said before, delirium isn't impossible to achieve. Wilds for land, Grasp/Price for instant, creature will likely get dead by t4, RTB/Path for sorcery, if they have enchantment removal then silkwrap is possible too. Now not going to always have all 4 by t4/5 but his own ability to self mill 4 can also help to achieve it. It would only be included as a 2 of, if that changes anything.
If you are hellbent on 'No' then do you have another idea for an alternate wincon? Preferably that also syncs with Odric so its not too out of place.
June 14, 2016 12:21 p.m.
Sorry I typed that then went to class anyway the reason I say dont play him without building around him is his ability and the delirium together. I have played with him a bit and he is very powerful just with the flying and 4 damage every turn it just closes games very quickly. It also dodges grasp of darkness and languish which are both very relevant.
However, his ability is very out of place unless you build around him. I say this because unless you can get his delirium the 4 health is VERY relevant because if you are under pressure he is no help and his clock is not fast enough to also put yourself on a clock. He also comes out on turn 4 at the earliest so if he is your curve topper he is honestly a little slow to do much at that point. Also him milling your cards is kind of crippling without graveyard recursion. Yes your deck is random but it is also milling resources you could otherwise need and once they are in the yard they cannot be touched for the rest of the game and therefore he is hurting you if you need important cards.
I do not have another card to replace him with I just think he is a very fickle card unless you build around him. Sigarda seemed nice and she also gives hexproof and doesnt strain you as much as the demon.
June 14, 2016 2:11 p.m.
JANKYARD_DOG says... #5
OK, let's talk some Sigarda strategy then...
Sigarda's main thing is 'Hexproof to Humans'. That being said, would it be wise to make the majority of cards Human? Here's the possibilties: Hand of Silumgar, Hidden Dragonslayer, Graveblade Marauder, Arashin Foremost, Odric, Lunarch Marshal. No skulk, haste, and flying is at the end of the curve with Sigarda, Heron's Grace. Or do we use the current line up of mostly double keyword creatures (Sylvan Advocate, Beastcaller Savant, Rancid Rats, Hidden Dragonslayer, Aven Sunstriker, Farbog Revenant, and Odric, Lunarch Marshal) and have Sigarda protect Odric/Slayer alone (Hexproof at combat for everyone else). This makes it so less creatures are required to achieve all keywords.
June 14, 2016 7 p.m.
I think that sigarda needs to be a top end that just gives flying when you need it so max 2 and yes humans are pretty good to keep her hexproof thing going when you need it. I think this deck needs to be aggressive so anything with 1 attack needs to be out mainly rancid rats and farbog revenant because they just wont do enough. I think playing some human warriors with arashin foremost and curving into odric is very good and aggressive enought to make people react. I think beastcaller savant is pretty damn good to ramp out odric and to give things haste. But yeah I would just take out the 1 power creatures (not aven sunstriker its ok) and go with a human warrior build thats aggressive and tops at sigarda.
June 14, 2016 10:41 p.m.
JANKYARD_DOG says... #7
Well, thanks for hashing it out with me. I'll likely be in testing for awhile, with post with a fresh list after.
Few things to think about in the mean time: Beastcaller Savant vs Cryptolith Rite? And the inclusion of Always Watching .
June 14, 2016 11:18 p.m.
JANKYARD_DOG says... #8
(In cmc order) 24 Total
Graveblade Marauder x3 ???
Pending decision of Savant vs Rite, also Graveblade is questionable.
EmblemMan says... #2
Do.Not.Use.Mindwrack.Without.Building.Around.Him.PERIOD
June 14, 2016 10:15 a.m.