I am really unsure what to do about board wipe
Standard Deck Help forum
Posted on Jan. 4, 2016, 1:51 a.m. by Argy
I am mucking around with a Humans/Thopters deck theme based around one of the new cards revealed for OGW.
I'm happy with how it is playing, but am aware that it is susceptible to board wipe.
Any suggestions?
Here it is: Oh, the Humanity! [ OGW ]
ComputerizedMTG says... #3
Well, you are running blue, you think your deck is succeptible to boardwipes, and you are running 0 counter spells. In red and blue there is nothing in the current standard that can save you from boardwipes other than counter magic. If you don't want any MB, just throw a couple of Negates in the sideboard and you should be allright.
Running 4 Orbs of Warding is a little much, you can live with 2 if you even really need them. And 4 Cranial Plating is a little much too; really doubt Tutelage decks are being played that often, and if you have to go through 4 of them then you either had shit luck and your opponent happened to mill all, or you might need to boost your MB as a whole, I think 2 of those will be fine as well.
That opens up 4 slots in your SB :)
Hope that helped.
January 4, 2016 2:55 a.m.
OK thanks for the feedback.
SB is still being worked on.
There is an INSANE amount of Mill at my LGS.
I have thought I should have some Counter spells for a while.
January 4, 2016 7:59 a.m.
Depending on your budget, Hangarback Walker provides a nice way to pop back up after a board wipe.Also, Negate is cheaper on mana than Scatter to the Winds if all you're really afraid of is sorceries and instants.
January 4, 2016 9:13 a.m.
Whisperwood Elemental is the only Standard answer that says "LOL boardwipe"
Granted that's not in your color.
January 4, 2016 9:15 a.m.
January 4, 2016 9:28 a.m.
Thanks for all the input, people.
I am going with Scatter to the Winds to give a few different Counter spell options.
I may even just use Cancel for less $$$
I will think about Hangarback Walker. There are a lot of Exile cards in my local meta, though.
BTW I may or may not be a Sir.
January 4, 2016 12:03 p.m.
ComputerizedMTG says... #9
Do you prefer "hot stuff" instead?
Last I checked Scatter was pretty dirt cheap.
I still feel strongly about Negate over most any other counter in your case. Non control decks only need counters as sideboard tech, and as such it means you are using it for a very specific threat and Negates are more mana efficient and less intensive to cast due to only needing 1 blue, but it is up to you!
January 4, 2016 12:42 p.m.
I prefer gender neutral language, that is inclusive of as many types of people as possible.
I'm rejigging the deck so I'll keep your ideas in mind.
January 4, 2016 1:10 p.m.
Nope.
You are only using it because you have assumed I am female.
It is not a term used in reference to males.
Or, in fact, a term used by people who aren't adolescent.
January 5, 2016 7:29 a.m. Edited.
ComputerizedMTG says... #14
Geez, if we want to get technical how I used it and how it can be used are not related to one another. You hear it in movies, I heard women yell that to men before, so on and so forth; I doubt I'm the first that's used it as such, mind you in a very sarcastic/joking manner as well.
You are correct that since you pointed out that you may or may not be a sir, usually this is used to hint at the "may not be" more so than the "may be" part, that I assumed you were a female and I realize how very silly of me that is in today's day and age.
That said, I'm sure there are better boards to talk about genders and the lack there of, I guess, so I will just stop since it got half-serious in here and that's not what I visit MTG sites for.
Apologies if by any chance I some how offended you and should have made it more clear I was joking.
January 5, 2016 10:56 a.m.
UpperDeckerTaco says... #16
Here's the deal....there are several board wipes in the format, and most creature based decks struggle against it so they either go with 1 of 2 plans: 1) Beat them before the board wipe hits, or 2) Be resilient as in having a real strong late game. Now I will also mention, what decks in the format run board wipes...CONTROL. Some random ass decks will have 1 or 2 in the side, whatever. But for the most part, the board wipes that are being played are Languish and Radiant Flames. There aren't as many End Hostilities, Planar Outburst, or Crux of Fates running around in every deck in the format. So as long as you can outlast the Radiant Flames and/or Languish, then you should be fine. Also to note, you may not be able to beat those cards, but you do have an answer...counterspells or discard spells. Duress them the turn before they are able to wipe is crucial. Holding up Negate mana or even Disdainful Stroke mana for the higher costing wipes is always nice and they may stray away from even using them if they see 2 open (one of them being 1 Blue). So there are plenty of options. There is little you can do to prevent Languish other than discard or countermagic unless you just have guys with fat butts. As for Radiant Flames, Dromoka's Command works well. Anything that gets them out of 3 damage range works well. So you have some options there. As for the 5 mana board wipes that basically only see play in Esper Decks, try to beat them before they can play it, remove it from there hand, or just don't play into it. Drop threats that they have to keep dealing with, and when they stop dealing with your threats, stop dropping threats so you do not "over extend" into the board wipe. It's a matter of how you play and how you plan to play around those certain scenarios.
January 5, 2016 5:19 p.m.
The_Riddlebox I'm not reading that wall o text.
If you've got something else to suggest about this topic then say it. I'm not interested in anything else.
UpperDeckerTaco it's becoming more apparent that Counter spells the way to go, considering the colours I'm working with. Thanks for such a detailed post.
ShabeTio says... #2
you have two options here (sort of three). 1-focus on keeping your cards around (counter spells, make it indestructible, hexproof,give it shroud etc.). 2- focus on bringing it back should anything happen ( return target card to your hand/battlefield etc). 3- some combination of the two.
the thing to take into account.... board wipe is generally difficult to deal with, thats the nature of the beast.the sad thing is EVEN if your card is indestructible, or has shroud, nothing can deal with cards that makes you sacrifice permanents except for counter spells.bottom line: counters are your best bet coupled with a few ways of bringing cards back
January 4, 2016 2:40 a.m.