2015 Nutering Theros Block?
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Posted on Aug. 11, 2014, 9:29 p.m. by TankSmasher
With all the enchantment destroying capabilities example: Back to nature 1G to destroy all enchantments. Didn't the mtg mucky mucks not see that 1/2 of all the Theros block just got blown out the window? Why not wait to reprint these cards until 2nd or third set of the upcoming block? Seems like a waist of money to buy Theros block now. Anyone else feel this way?
Servo_Token says... #3
"With all the enchantment destroying capabilities example: Back to Nature 1G to destroy all enchantments"
That's it. I wouldn't really call that an overwhelming force to be reckoned with. 2 cards in one color seems very very very easy to play around.
August 11, 2014 9:33 p.m.
ThatBlueMage also Hushwing Gryff it stops Eidolon of Blossoms and other main enchantment cards just saying there are others but more subtle ones.
August 11, 2014 9:35 p.m.
PasorofMuppets says... #5
Wizards usually plans on printing some kind of release valve in a set following a specific theme just in case there's enough support to create some kind of potentially super oppressive deck.
Enchantment decks don't see very much competitive play, so no one has good reason to run Back to Nature in their sideboards anyway.
I'm sure Theros block is worth at least a waist of money anyway.
August 11, 2014 9:35 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #6
Hushwing Gryff was not created to neuter Constellation decks.
August 11, 2014 9:38 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #7
Hushwing Gryff was created for M14, but they thought it was too much for that set (something something reasons), so it was moved to M15.
It does do a good job at shutting down Constellation, but really, who's going to do that anyway?
August 11, 2014 9:40 p.m.
TheDuggernaught says... #8
theros was a meh block anyways, they could have just printed mediocre cards and it would have pushed a lot of the block out of play.
August 11, 2014 9:42 p.m.
I did not say that the gryff was printed to shut down constellation I am just saying that it could if it ever became a big thing
August 11, 2014 9:42 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #10
Cards are printed to limit the power of other cards all the time. Metagames change all the time. That's part of Standard. Griping about it will never change that. Play the deck that you want to play and accept the fact that sideboard cards exist to stop your plans.
August 11, 2014 9:45 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #11
I find it hard to take this post seriously given the misspellings and exaggeration of facts. There really aren't as many super effective means of destroying enchantments, and Back to Nature is the only enchantment-specific sweeper in Standard.
Also, removal doesn't make enchantments unplayable.
August 11, 2014 9:46 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #12
We won't know where Theros actually stands in terms of set strength until Khans is released.
August 11, 2014 9:49 p.m.
mathimus55 says... #13
This thread is ALMOST equivalent to saying "oh no! Perilous Vault ! It makes nonland permanent decks obsolete!"
August 11, 2014 10:01 p.m.
Naw...it's really just Back to Nature that is the main enchant hate. Hushwing Gryff would have been bonkers in m14. Off button for Thragtusk , Restoration Angel , etc. It's more of modern card now, I believe
August 11, 2014 10:25 p.m.
Sam Stoddard said that Hushwing Gryff was in M14, but got removed because an early version of Bestow was an ETB ability. This meant there was a significant hate card for a major block mechanic, which is a feel bad, so they changed Hushwing Gryff into Imposing Sovereign and pushed the gryff back to M15.
And as far as hate cards are concerned, see Stony Silence post Scars of Mirrodin, Soldier of the Pantheon post Return to Ravnica, Rest in Peace post Innistrad, etc.
August 11, 2014 10:59 p.m.
Just gonna throw it out there that Hushwing Gryff is a nice answer to some devotion decks... It's pretty good to play in response to Gary, Fanatic of Mogis , and Master of Waves . I mean in a lot of control decks, a better response is simply a counter spell, but when that luxury is not available the gryff can definitely help
August 12, 2014 12:23 a.m.
Nigeltastic says... #17
Wizards consistently does the "print a good hate card after a block focus" thing, it's just safe game design. That said, resilient decks can survive 1 hate card. While it's scary, a Rakdos Charm or Tormod's Crypt doesn't stop a dredge deck either, just slows it down.
August 12, 2014 12:53 a.m.
Think back to Soldier of the Pantheon .
Or think even further back, to Ash Zealot and Scavenging Ooze .
EmblemMan says... #2
I am not so sure that they made it obsolete. However, I hate that they did not continue it at least a LITTLE bit like it was a cute idea and it just got completely dropped and never got, what I feel, would have made it a viable archetype.
August 11, 2014 9:32 p.m.