Building a proper sideboard
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Posted on May 17, 2013, 8:15 a.m. by harrydemon117
I've recently been sold on using Purify the Grave to go against Junk Rites matchups, but I'm also running out of sideboard space.
I'm also trying to think of some good ideas vs Aristocrats or Golgari aggro - which uses undying in Strangleroot Geist and Geralf's Messenger . Would Rest in Peace just solve all of these problems as undying and morbid will be turned off by Rest in Peace correct?
And also Blood Artist triggers?
Arachnarchist says... #3
Rest in Peace will stop Artist triggers since nothing will ever actually die.
May 17, 2013 9:10 a.m.
Blood Artist would still trigger since the creatures will die, the only difference is that insead of the graveyard they are exiled. Yes Rest in Peace will deal with undying triggers though. It also prevents the golgari aggro from using Deadbridge Chant which can be a really handy card to have out.
May 17, 2013 9:20 a.m.
harrydemon117 says... #5
@ShiltonCDXX: Why do they still trigger? Blood Artist reads "When a creature dies" which translates into "whenever it is moved from the battlefield to graveyard".
Since Rest in Peace exiles them instead, doesn't it get around the Blood Artist triggers?
May 17, 2013 9:37 a.m.
harrydemon117 apparently that is correct, Rest in Peace does not allow Blood Artist ability to trigger because r.i.p. has that replacement effect. I still prefer instant speed because for the most part, the match ups you describe can deal with r.i.p. easily and they get blind sided by Purify the Grave , except aristocrats. Because of that it might be worth it in the long run to use r.i.p.
May 17, 2013 10:31 a.m.
The death of the creature is what triggers rest in peace but before the creature goes to the graveyard or is exiled, blood artist would still trigger since the act of dying is seperate from going to the graveyard. Eg. Regeneration - the creature dies but before it goes to the graveyard, all damage (and counters, etc.) are removed, the creature is tapped but reamains on the battlefield, it never reaches the graveyard as there is a step between death and going to the graveyard.
May 17, 2013 10:38 a.m.
ShiltonCDXX but dies means 'put into the graveyard' ... The trigger does not happen if it is not put in the graveyard.
New Terminology: "Dies"
"When [this card] is put into the graveyard from the battlefield" is a mouthful, and when people are talking about cards informally, they're more likely to say something shorter such as "When [this card] dies." Nowspecifically in the case of creaturesthat's what the cards say as well.
May 17, 2013 10:44 a.m.
yes after reading multiple rulings I am amazed to say that R.I.P does stop blood artist. I apologize, I thought the death of the creature was a seperate act from where it went. A buddy of mine and I were wondering then, does R.I.P stop regeneration as well then?
May 17, 2013 10:49 a.m.
I guess I could have just read Pillar of Flame for my answer as the wording on it tells me that exile replaces death, and death is not required for exile.
May 17, 2013 10:53 a.m.
Stygian333 says... #11
What? How would Rest in Peace have anything to do with regeneration? Isn't this whole thread about not underestimating replacement effects? Regeneration says instead of being killed, the creature is removed from combat, all damage is removed, and it is tapped. The whole point of regeneration is that it replaces death, so Rest in Peace has nothing to do with it.
May 17, 2013 10:53 a.m.
No, because regenration is also a replacement effect that basically says "The next time [permanent] would be destroyed this turn, instead remove all damage marked on it and tap it. If it's an attacking or blocking creature, remove it from combat."
It's not hitting the graveyard.
May 17, 2013 10:55 a.m.
MindAblaze says... #13
One of my favorite things about using this website is how open the users are to learning. Since the game has been around for nigh 20 years, the player knowledge base is so varied.
@ harrydemon117 To answer your question, if your meta is heavy with Rites, Undying and other graveyard based decks I'd probably run a 3/2 split in the board of Purify the Grave and Rest in Peace that way they have two forms of graveyard hate they have to deal with. If you can spare 5 slots in your match-ups for answers to particular decks that is. You should be able to though.
What deck are we discussing?
May 17, 2013 11:05 a.m.
You are right Stygian, because the creature doesn't die RIP has no efect on regeneration. I just read some rulings on that as well. My confusion came from the change in definition in the term "death"
May 17, 2013 11:09 a.m.
harrydemon117 says... #16
My local meta is a bunch of aggro style decks, some reanimator, and some Esper. Against the "Golgari" aggro decks or BUG aggro that has undying creatures it basically slows them down and my removal can be a 1 for 1 again (with a small investment of Rest in Peace ). Rest in Peace also can shut down esper as Snapcaster Mage will have no targets and it shuts off Runechanter's Pike as well.
I'm trying to "tighten up" my sideboard and have some cards be good with multiple scenarios so I can make room for the ones that will ONLY come in vs certain matchups
Purify the Grave was my card of choice if it was against JUST Junk Rites, but in matchups against undying or the aristocrats it seemed better to run Rest in Peace
May 17, 2013 11:38 a.m.
harrydemon117 says... #18
I haven't had a chance to test Rest in Peace out in playtesting..only the Purify the Grave which worked great vs Junk Rites
I have only had a couple of chances to test vs the aristocrats deck and wanted something to turn off Doomed Traveler , Blood Artist , and their Lingering Souls flashback and Rest in Peace seemed the logical answer.
I have also seen an increase of G/B Zombies in my area, and wanted something to shut it off as well
May 17, 2013 11:48 a.m.
MindAblaze says... #19
Purify the Grave works against snapcaster too, and if properly timed also works against Undying. It becomes a dead card with Rest in Peace though.
It might be easier to just run Rest in Peace , the only two downsides are its vulnerable to counter-hate which graveyard people will be siding in game two against a white deck and it doesn't let you utilize your own graveyard
May 17, 2013 11:50 a.m.
harrydemon117 says... #21
Now you guys know where my dilemma is lol. I would LOVE to keep the Purify the Grave AND the Rest in Peace in my sideboard for their respective uses. For those who haven't seen it, here's the deck I'm running at a TCGPlayer silver event tomorrow:
I have a list of my current sideboard strategies on the deck list, so please have a look and let me know what you think
May 17, 2013 12:57 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #22
I'm thinking I may leave as is so that I don't "overthink" anything anymore...this is my first big tournament and I am getting down to "crunch" time to making final cuts
May 17, 2013 1 p.m.
Ok, but Nevermore is still listed in there, why not replace it with Rest in Peace .
May 17, 2013 1:18 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #24
He's looking for Sin Collector , which makes his Restos even more awesome.
May 17, 2013 1:51 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #25
Yeah...Nevermore is holding slots until I pick up my Sin Collector s tonight. I'll go ahead and make the change so it reflects :)
May 17, 2013 1:55 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #26
Do you guys agree with my sideboard strategy, or do you have any better suggestons?
May 17, 2013 1:57 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #28
So, I ended up placing 70th out of 336 players...not too bad for my first big tournament (let alone states championships).
I ended up going with my gut instincts and running Rest in Peace over Purify the Grave and not ONCE did I face Junk Rites
I only brought them in vs Snapcaster Mage decks and it worked REALLY well suprisingly.
Thanks again to all who gave me comments!
P.S. This deck KILLED Jund (1-0), Bant control (2-0), and had great games against aggro (1-1 against Naya Blitz and 1-1 vs Junk Tokens) as well as Naya midrange (1-0)
The only problem deck was Bant Auras, which I could have used Gaze of Granite or Barter in Blood which I didn't think of beforehand
May 20, 2013 3:52 p.m.
nice harrydemon117 and congratz! on a side note, I'm playing bant auras/hexproof now, minus the geists (till I can trade for or borrow them). It is a monster deck.
May 20, 2013 4:24 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #30
Oh you'll need the geists to maximize the effort. I would put ALL of your trading efforts into it if you plan on seriously running it.
It WILL be rotating in October so I wouldn't invest to more than 3 however as the price will surely drop once it rotates from Standard
May 20, 2013 4:52 p.m.
Bant in modern has them see play and they paly well in modern, so yeah I'm going to get a play set. Original plan was to wait till they rotated, but going to try this week to see if I can trade my foil Ral Zarek for 3 of them (currently similar $$ value) this week.
May 20, 2013 5 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #32
NICE! Yeah I always end up trading my foils for 2-4 "normal" good cards as I am a player and not a collector :)
May 21, 2013 9:55 a.m.
The only problem is that the number 1 reason you would be sideboarding in Rest in Peace against these decks is that they will a) hardcast in an Acidic Slime (for reanimator) to blow up the R.I.P., or it will eat an Abrupt Decay , as this is a card that is played in both BG/BUG aggro and Reanimator.
May 21, 2013 3:45 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #34
To tell you the truth, I think Unburial Rites style decks are on the decline. Too many control decks running around now to stop it
Cdawg44 says... #2
Rest in Peace does cancel Undying and the Rites.
What do you mean by Blood Artist triggers?
May 17, 2013 9:04 a.m.