Cards that Impact UB Control?
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Posted on March 23, 2015, 1:54 p.m. by Sparda1127
I'm happy to see Ultimate Price and Duress make a comeback, but I feel like Damnable Pact adds some crazy card draw if you can dump the mana into it. I like it a lot over Read the Bones in some situations.
Also Silumgar's Scorn. This card, omg. In lists that are most likely going to run copies of both Dragonlord Silumgar and Silumgar, the Drifting Death, this is the closest thing we'll probably ever have to a straight up Counterspell.
I'm also intrigued to see how Haven of the Spirit Dragon performs, as bringing back Silumgar or Ugin seems pretty insane.
What are your guys' opinions on cards that'll make the cut for UB Control after DTK is released?
alexthegreat38 says... #3
Do control decks really want to run Dragonlord Silumgar? He's relatively easy to remove. I don't really play control, but based on the cards that have already become control finishers this Standard (Pearl Lake Ancient, Silumgar, the Drifting Death, and Elspeth, Sun's Champion), I think you want something that's harder to kill than that, especially with Roast coming out. Dragonlord's Prerogative will probably be a thing, but Silumgar's Scorn is only good if you're running SEVERAL dragons, and control decks won't be running enough dragons to make that card good. Yeah, it could be a counterspell, but even if you run 4 dragon finishers, you're very unlikely to have both in hand at once. If the card isn't a good answer by itself, it probably doesn't belong in a control deck. Just my two cents.
March 23, 2015 2:12 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #4
I am super stoked for Dragonlord's Prerogative in UB Control, it is going to be pretty awesome...
March 23, 2015 3:01 p.m.
I'm most excited about Anticipate. A mini DTT that helps keep us from stumbling in the early game. One of the reasons, other than Sultai Charm, that Sultai Control became the favored control deck is because of Satyr Wayfinder ensuring land drops; Anticipate will do the same thing for UB without having to worsen the mana base. I think we can safely drop down to 26 lands as a result.
Ultimate Price is the other big one. You can't go too deep on it, but it's a nice compliment to Hero's Downfall and Bile Blight. More two mana interaction is wonderful.
Dragonlord's Prerogative isn't bad as a high end draw spell. I'll probably replace Jace's Ingenuity with it. Probably a 2 of at most.
I'm unsure about Silumgar's Command and Dragonlord Silumgar. The command is expensive as hell, but the versatility is nice (it gives us a non-Vault answer to resolved enchantments). As for Silumgar, I think I prefer the younger version, but the elder has more raw upside.
March 23, 2015 3:22 p.m.
The reason Dragonlord Silumgar is good is because it can come down, steal a planeswalker thats ready to ultimate, and immediately use it. You keep priority after it steals the walker, so your opponent cant just hero's downfall and stop you from doing it. So it comes down, you ult the walker (or just use it's other minus ability), the walker probably dies without you having to downfall it yourself, and you have a dragon. Doesn't matter at that point if Silumgar dies, it's already gotten you a lot of value.
On the other hand, I don't know why nobody is talking about the fact that Crux of Fate is going to be much worse if even one or two of the dragons released become staples.
Ultimate Price, Anticipate, and that other two mana black spell that make an opponent sac a green/white creature and lose two life are all going to be fantastic cards.
March 23, 2015 3:30 p.m.
@kyuuri117 Yes, that's the upside to Dragonlord Silumgar, but being the only creature vulnerable to removal keeps it in check. It only extracts immediate value when you can steal a planeswalker. don't hate it in the sideboard.
You're certainly right on Crux of Fate. Perilous Vault is the sweeper I want to favor in DTK standard.
March 23, 2015 3:47 p.m.
jpgcoleman says... #10
kyuuri117 I am not sure you are correct. I believe the steal trigger goes on the stack, if Dragonlord Silumgar is killed prior to resolution of the ETB trigger, the gain control ability will make a check for Silumgar prior to resolution, therefore the trigger fizzles. Correct me if I am incorrect.
March 24, 2015 2:14 p.m.
Self Inflicted Injury is pretty good against abzan and Foul-Tongue Invocation against heroic.
March 30, 2015 7:54 a.m.
magnetcrocodile says... #12
Virulent Plague has the potential to be a staple 2-of Sideboard if the token heavy meta still continues
Learn from the Past can be intersting(remember Elixir of Immortality?), but doesn't really synergize with the Delve mechanic
Profaner of the Dead can clear the board, severely slowing the game, which is good for UB
Living Lore on a draw/removal/mass-removal spell could be huge
Sidisi, Undead Vizier is kinda usable over Liliana Vess, depending on the deck
Shorecrasher Elemental is hell if casted when you already got a lot of mana
Also I've seen a deck with Sidisi's Faithful and Gravepurge combo. This guy keep bouncing my creature with self-Exploit-ing Sidisi's Faithful and bring it back with Gravepurge. Twice a turn, even. That was hell
March 30, 2015 11:08 a.m.
BrandonJamesCAC says... #13
Jumped out at me. I would never use it in Modern but if i played standard, this card is a goodAEtherling for control decks.
mathimus55 says... #2
Damnable Pact probably won't go mainboard since aggro got better too. If the control player starts to fall behind pact is the last thing they'll want to have. It'll be a fine card for the mirror but not more than 2 for sure. Dragonlord's Prerogative is the draw spell that they'll play more than likely, especially if either of the Silumgars become the finisher of choice. I don't see a U/B player that wouldn't want to pay
more to draw an extra card over Jace's Ingenuity
March 23, 2015 1:59 p.m.