Clone effects?
Standard forum
Posted on Jan. 14, 2013, 10:21 a.m. by Jace_the_Mind_Scluptor697
so biovisionary is begging to be cloned, cackling counterpart+ parallel lives, but i need all clone and copy into token effects in standard right now. no evil twin is a maybe evn though it could kill my dudes but i need to test it first
-cackling counterpart-clone-evil twin
what else?????
Jace_the_Mind_Scluptor697 says... #3
biovisionary must be out in order to copy it, so at least one, but i never though of the populaters, you're a genius haha maybe ill add white for rootborn deffense since it will protect them haha thragtusk is df. going in for when i dont draw biovisionary, and need a staller, draw abilities? think twice any more?
January 14, 2013 10:36 a.m.
There will be Stolen Identity ?
what about things to get your Clone and Evil Twin back into your hand in the event that you needed them to deal with another threat before you can get your Biovisionary to 4x on the board (e.g. Unsummon Azorius Charm Dramatic Rescue and Simic Charm) or you could include red for Chandra, the Firebrand and Reverberate to copy your Cackling Counterpart (isn't there an enchant creature card that does this too?).
That's all I can think of, but I don't know the Innastrad block very well.
January 14, 2013 10:52 a.m.
Stolen Identity may be useful, and Infinite Reflection would certainly ensure you can get 4 Biovisionary
January 14, 2013 11:13 a.m.
I agree with Rayenous. Infinite Reflection = GG. You wouldn't have to build your whole deck around building copies of Biovisionary . This would open you up to many other build options (and therefore victory conditions not dependent on Biovisionary ).
January 14, 2013 11:46 a.m.
If Biovisionary is your primary win-condition, you need to be running four of them. No question.
Cackling Counterpart + Populate seems like the best call.
January 14, 2013 11:57 a.m.
The biggest issue will be having an opponent play Slaughter Games before you get the chance to play the first Biovisionary ... you'll need to have an alternate win-con... at least in the sideboard for BR decks... Nevermore can at least be removed.
January 14, 2013 12:48 p.m.
ArantirTheDestroyer says... #9
@Rayenous However, that is only if our opponent knows you're using Biovisionary . In that case have an alt wincon in the sideboard is more necessary, in addition to some counterspells.
January 14, 2013 3:05 p.m.
Jace_the_Mind_Scluptor697 says... #10
yeah but FNM is 3 rounds, B/R will stop me short. Zandl is right i need a speedy win, sigarda is going in mainboard and so is thrag tusk for alt. win cons because cackling counterpart thragtusk and im going to destroy
January 14, 2013 3:22 p.m.
@ArantirTheDestroyer don't forget that Slaughter Games cannot be countered. That would make it extremely dangerous to a make a deck dependent on Biovisionary as the only or primary win condition. If the deck is B/R, the opponent almost certainly has other ways to remove creatures, which is why I think an Infinite Reflection + Biovisionary is a better tactic. If you wait until turn 5 to cast Biovisionary and have three other creatures already out, you win on turn 6 with Infinite Reflection . The other three creatures don't matter and can certainly disguise the coming Biovisionary prior to turn 5 (an aggressive B/R player may have already burned out smaller creatures and be caught unprepared). Alternatively, if you cast Biovisionary on turn 3, then Clone it or cast Cackling Counterpart on turn 4, your strategy is revealed to your opponent, who will probably respond with aggressive creature removal. My point is that since it is difficult to disguise it, it's better to win as soon as possible after Biovisionary is revealed. It will be interesting to see what is the most viable deck with a Biovisionary slant.
January 14, 2013 3:22 p.m.
Jace_the_Mind_Scluptor697 says... #12
realize this though, if i can give it hexproof what are they going to do? i need things that will give my board hexproof/indestructable. also infinite reflection is aweful, i'd rather populate it, because they can't use removal if i use rootborn defense in response. mizzium skin maybe??
January 14, 2013 3:41 p.m.
10vernothin says... #13
with clone spells, the best alt win-con is by looping. For example, chain 8 Consuming Aberration s together then play a bunch of cheap spells with flashback, or play 5 Blood Artist and and play a few kill spells.
January 14, 2013 5:10 p.m.
Jace_the_Mind_Scluptor697 says... #14
@10vernothin its a biovisionary deck... not consuming aberration...sorry...
January 14, 2013 5:21 p.m.
10vernothin says... #15
alt win-con in case your Biovisionary is Slaughter Games or Nevermore
January 14, 2013 5:27 p.m.
Jace_the_Mind_Scluptor697 says... #16
better win cons are cloning/cackling thragtusk then proliferating it if cackled or sigarda(legendary so no gloning but still it almost never leaves play unless it is combat damaged or something)
January 14, 2013 5:36 p.m.
ArantirTheDestroyer says... #17
Apoptosis, I'd forgotten that Games couldn't be countered. Thanks for correcting me on that. Also, with "Mana dorks," it is actually possible to win turn 4:
Turn 1:
Turn 2:
Turn 3:
Forest , Arbor Elf , Arbor Elf
Turn 4:
Infinite Reflection , win.
January 15, 2013 8:41 a.m.
Jace_the_Mind_Scluptor697 says... #18
arantir sure cuz 3 arbor elves is soooo likely... i'll play test it
January 15, 2013 9:18 a.m.
Could also card:Avacyn's Pilgrim or that ranger that lets you put a land in play. Also I would wait to drop Biovisionary the turn before you cast for the win. The longer it's on the battlefield the more likely someone would kill it (unless you were worried about slaughter games, but it's more likely someone would Oblivion Ring or just kill it with direct damage etc.
January 15, 2013 9:59 a.m.
NobodyEpic says... #20
And Sever the Bloodline , Supreme Verdict , Slaughter Games , Planar Cleansing , Zombie Apocalypse , Mizzium Mortars , Street Spasm , Balefire Dragon , Blasphemous Act , Bonfire of the Damned , Magmaquake , Mutilate , and probably even Detention Sphere is gonna come around and ruin your plans. If you want this to work, you'll have to find answers to ALL these questions or win the game by around turn 3 or 4, which is just about impossible being that the card itself costs 3 mana.
January 20, 2013 3:42 a.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #21
So.. Biovisionary is a card, and it's a human... card:Angel of Glory's Rise come to mind?
Three-Left-Feet says... #2
card:Druid's Deliverance after you get the Cackling Counterpart out. Maybe Sundering Growth . Anything w/ a cheap populate effect, but that might be able to be used in case you don't have Biovisionary out.
January 14, 2013 10:33 a.m.