Gaze of Granite
Standard forum
Posted on May 8, 2013, 7:27 p.m. by Sagi007
Gaze of Granite new Ratchet Bomb or closest thing to it?
byepolarbear says... #4
Just wondering, could you cast it with X as 0 to wipe tokens or do tokens just not have a cmc?
May 8, 2013 11 p.m.
I'm pretty sure you can. As long as x has a value, I'm this case 0, it will wipe them out. Just like Ratchet Bomb
May 8, 2013 11:13 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #7
Gaze of Granite is indeed SIMILAR to Ratchet Bomb . The difference here is it also hits CMCs that are LOWER than X as well as ones EQUAL to X.
Essentially it is a board wipe, when given the right value. It is a powerful card, considering green and black never get board wipes, or get board wipes that aren't playable (the only real wipe worth playing being Damnation ). However, I feel this has potential. I use it to wipe the field, then use Immortal Servitude in order to return my 2-3 CMC guys :D
May 9, 2013 12:17 a.m.
detentionsphere says... #8
I don't think it's good. It's like a really bad Planar Cleansing . Supreme Verdict , Terminus , Planar Cleansing , Mizzium Mortars , Mutilate , and Bonfire of the Damned are all better.
May 9, 2013 12:21 a.m.
The only tokens it won't kill with X=0 are tokens that are copies of other creatures on the battlefield (because those copy the original creature's CMC as well as everything else).
May 9, 2013 12:35 a.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #10
No, it will kill ALL tokens. Anything without a CMC is automatically 0, and since they are nonland permanents, with no CMC (which is now labeled 0), then they are less than or equal to whatever X is
May 9, 2013 12:45 a.m.
Tokens created by effects like Lingering Souls have a CMC 0, yes, since the effect that created them did not define a CMC. If it's a token created by a copy effect, however (see Mimic Vat ), it copies all copyable details on the card, including mana cost.
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original objects characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by as . . . enters the battlefield and as . . . is turned face up abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
Rule copied from this previous Q&A question.
May 9, 2013 2:29 a.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #12
Ohhhh, I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you meant token copies of the tokens. Yeah I knew that, I just thought you meant copied versions of the tokens.
May 9, 2013 2:32 a.m.
Yeah, probably should have specified creature cards. Oops. My bad too.
May 9, 2013 2:35 a.m.
Linkdude74 says... #14
I like Gaze of Granite because that means I can have two Forced March in my golgari EDH. That's really all the card is. I don't think we'll see it much in standard except to kill tokens
May 14, 2013 8:04 a.m.
Linkdude74 says... #15
The thing is thouhg, Graze is just a little bit better
May 14, 2013 8:05 a.m.
It works well with Immortal Servitude . Cast Gaze of Granite for 3 to wipe most of the board, then cast Immortal Servitude later for however much to get back a good amount of what you lost.
May 14, 2013 8:13 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #17
also works great with undying creatures.
So will gaze kill tokens made by progentior mimic?
Because thier token copies of a copy. I still don't understand.
May 14, 2013 8:59 a.m.
yes, they have a 0cmc, meaning Progenitor Mimic can have it's tokens wiped out by Gaze of Granite
May 14, 2013 10:09 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #19
Though most tokens don't have a mana cost, that's only because the effect that created them didn't give them one. However, copy effects copy everything written on the original, and that includes mana cost. The tokens made by the copy effect of Progenitor Mimic have a mana cost, and will only be killed by Gaze of Granite if it's cast for a high enough number.
May 14, 2013 10:27 a.m.
I think the Gaze of Granite Would rock in jund midrange. It can stiff arm aggro and demolish all of those token decks, looking at you Lingering Souls ! even though it would likely be a sideboard card.
May 14, 2013 9:16 p.m.
However, if your opponent populated themselves an army of Grove of the Guardian 's elemental tokens, you can wipe them for a grand total of 3 mana (X=0). This would have been nice at the RTR prerelease.
May 14, 2013 9:32 p.m.
Everyone's gotta have angst against something. For me, it's the Grove's tokens (and my husband's penchant for putting Eldrazi in every deck).
May 14, 2013 9:52 p.m.
I can save my Saprolings with out wasting an indestructible buff. Thank you Life and Limb for your service turning my little seeds into lovely forest lands.
April 7, 2014 1:06 a.m.
Some1TookMyName says... #26
Theres a really cool Gaze of Granite made by IDW featuring Dack Fayden and a Gorgon, yes its legal. And for the colors its a great card in Standard bc this thread is in the Standard category. Playing green you can ramp and making x=whatever's relevant has never been a problem when I play it.
RegisteredDecksOffender says... #2
It's more of a new Pernicious Deed
May 8, 2013 7:42 p.m.