Guildgates gain value after cycle?
Standard forum
Posted on March 9, 2013, 5:38 p.m. by DarkHero
a lot of the dual lands are leaving standard once Dragon Maze comes out. am I right in thinking that the Guildgates will formally replace those dual lands in most standard decks? (i.e Clifftop Retreat will be replaced by Boros Guildgate) Especially considering all the love Dragon Maze is giving the Guildgates.
yeah Dragon Maze comes out next fall thats the point. I mean unless they reprint the innistrad lands and the m13 lands I can see a world where guildgates see play for people that arnt just trying to save money.
March 9, 2013 5:50 p.m.
No? Dragons maze is going to be released in may. The fall set is always a new block and dragons maze is the third set in the rtr block
March 9, 2013 5:54 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #5
Moved to Standard.
I think you're confused as to how rotations work. Nothing ever rotates out mid-block. Rotations only happen when the new block begins in late September or early October each year.
March 9, 2013 6 p.m.
m14 will cause the innistrad block to rotate out. That happens in october. And no, I don't believe that we will see a lot of guildgates seeing play or gaining value when that happens. Something will be in the m14 core set that makes up for the loss of things like Woodland Cemetery and Clifftop Retreat.
March 9, 2013 9:24 p.m.
capriom85 you are wrong as well. M14 does not signal the rotation. M14 is set to release in August. The set that signals rotation is the first set in the new block. Not the core set. Remember, there is always that period in T2 where the format has 2 blocks and 2 core sets.
March 9, 2013 9:33 p.m.
Guildgates already see play when people have maxed out on shock/Innistrad lands and need more color fixing. It's not uncommon to see something like 4x Dragonskull Summit, 4x Blood Crypt, and 3x Rakdos Guildgate (or whatever color combination) in standard decks.
That being said, being a common, they won't go up in value to be worth investing into. My store occasionally buys guildgates for 25 or 50 cents when they run low, but that's it. They won't hit $1. The most valuable common in standard right now is probably Delver of Secrets Flip, and he's less than $2. I can't imagine guildgates beating him out in vaule.
The only way for them to go up for anything worth considering is if the next fall block and M14 don't have any dual lands of any kind, which would leave us with just shocks and guildgates. That's really unlikely, considering they put in at the very least allied lands in each core set/block.
March 10, 2013 1:14 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #9
Simple answer is no, lands that come into play tapped will not go up in value, because hardly anyone will use them, and even if everyone did, i have a playset of each and i haven't even been collecting them, no they will remain worthless.
March 10, 2013 6:49 a.m.
Guildgates value will be that of a normal land. In dragon's maze you will get one instead of a land, they are common and not good at all, no way they can get any value.
What were the codenames for the next block? friends and what else?
March 10, 2013 9:40 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #11
Friends, Romans, Countrymen (Shakespeare reference)
March 10, 2013 10:02 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #12
Also, @Schuesseled: Some tap lands are playable. Celestial Colonnades are $7 apiece now.
March 10, 2013 10:05 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #13
But that is a man land, so it's not really comparable.
March 11, 2013 7:32 a.m.
KrazyCaley says... #14
On a totally unrelated note, I miss my refuges. Refuges were slow, but they were cheap and awesome.
March 11, 2013 8:51 a.m.
yeah i guess im just a little confused as to how cycling works. I got into standard right around when innistrad came out, so i'm just not sure what to expect.
March 12, 2013 8:59 a.m.
Once a new block cycles in, the oldest block in standard cycles out. A block is three sets that are tied together. Specifically, there's Innstrad Block (Innistrad, Dark Ascension, Avacyn Restored) and Return to Ravnica Block (Return to Ravnica, Gatecrash, Dragon's Maze). Each new block is released in the fall. Bear in mind, the entire block rotates out, not just the first set. So when fall comes around, Innistrad, Dark Ascension, and Avacyn Restored will all rotate out when the single, new set arrives.
Core sets (Magic 2013 at the moment) rotate out of standard when the new core set rotates in (Magic 2014 this summer).
Standard will feel like a completely different game because a few hundred cards were taken away, and a few hundred more were added. Prices on cards from Innistrad block will plummet.
Modern will get some new tools and new deck types when the new set arrives, but none of the cards from Innistrad block will rotate out, so your deck will still be legal there. EDH/Commander is in the same boat. We might see new decks and whatnot, but it will still be an almost identical format to what it was before.
Legacy and Vintage players, on the other hand, will grab maybe one or two cards from the new set to add to their decks and ignore the rest. In the case of Return to Ravnica, for example, the only cards that made any impact on those formats are Rest in Peace and Dryad Militant. For Avacyn Restored, it was Griselbrand and Cavern of Souls.
March 12, 2013 11:36 a.m.
Thanks @Epochalyptik
@sylvannos I thought m13 and m14 would be together for a while and it would rotate together with the innistrad block, at least that's what a friend told me, thanks for the extra info, good to know.
March 12, 2013 12:53 p.m.
Ok so two things: first, what's the difinitive ruling? M14 comes this summer and then m13 is out on the release date? Innistrad's whole block rotates out with the release of whatever the new block is?Second: not all innistrad card values will plummet. I had this conversation last week at FNM and there are a majority that feel liliana of the veil, Huntmaster of the fells, and some other current modern staples that see a lot of play will not only hold value but gain value as the availability of these cards will cease to increase because they will be ou of print and soon unavailable by means outside trade and purchase. Can anyone with a better knowledge of card value expand on this?
March 12, 2013 1:57 p.m.
The actual dates for cycling out previous sets have not been confirmed. (to my knowledge)
Usually, you will see this information posted in Wizards "Standard Format Deck Construction" page, located: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=judge/resources/sfrstandard
However, in the past, 2 core sets will typically overlap for a short period of time. M12 and M13 were both in standard from the release of M13 (July 13th, I believe) until Early October, when RTR was released. (Oct, 5th I believe)
At that point, M12, and the whole Scars of Mirrodin block rotated out, bringing the number of sets in Standard from 8 to 5.
There is no guarantee that this will always be the case for the timing of rotations, but it is probably a good bet that the timing will be similar in that there is likely to be an overlap of M13 and M14, and that M13 will rotate out when Innistrad block rotates out, and likely in the fall between late Sept. and early Nov.
March 12, 2013 2:28 p.m.
I just think of the core set as the 4th set of a block (i know it's not technically but it works out that way in practice). So if Innistrad to m13 is one block and RTR to m14 the next one, then when the first set of the "friends" block is released Innistrad through m13 drop off. I've only been playing since mid Scars block so maybe it wasn't always like this but this seems to be the format now anyway.
March 12, 2013 2:52 p.m.
@capriom85: Staples of non-standard formats will retain and eventually go up in value even after their respective set rotates out. However, they will take a small dip in value in the few weeks after their set rotates out. People who play exclusively standard will be dumping them for new cards to play with.
To give you an example, Goblin Piledriver was around $12 when he was standard legal. After Onslaught rotated out, his value plummeted to around $3~$5. A few years later, he was back up to $12. Right now, you can't find him for below $20.
The same thing will happen to cards like Liliana of the Veil and Huntmaster of the Fells Flip. They may drop as low as $15 or even $8, but they will shoot right back up within months.
vila_a23 says... #2
No lands are leaving when dragons maze comes out. The Innistrad duals won't rotate out until the release of the next fall set. Even when that happens I doubt gates will see much play still because they don't interact with the m10 lands if we still have them and they are really slow. If wizards wanted to push gates then they would have to print some form of dual land that doesnt benefit from shocks and slow the format down a ton and I don't see that happening at all.
March 9, 2013 5:47 p.m.