How should Bant look after JOU?
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Posted on May 2, 2014, 6:20 p.m. by Eduardogbg
Yeah, Esper is becoming kinda "meh!", so, as you can imagine, Bant and UWR are starting to take it's place. It was confirmed by the new control enchantments and Keranos, God of Storms . This last one is still to prove it's place on the deck.
I can imagine how UWR lists will be. Warleader's Helix , Boros Reckoner sometimes a Brimaz, King of Oreskos and Burn/UWx Control things. Now, Bant... Bant has more shells. Semi-Constellation Control. Midrange Lifegain and Card Draw, UWx Control.
First, is Kiora, the Crashing Wave worth a spot? Probably yes. And a spot over Jace? With Courser of Kruphix , her -1 can draw 1 and dig 2. Jace can draw 1 or 2 and dig 3 by itself. In a 24~26 lands deck, you'll never miss a land drop. What if you could never miss a drop and drop 2 lands? Would that be worth over one or two potential digs or draw? Should her easy to achieve ultimate be left in consideration?
Next topic, Ajani. Dig four, draw one in his plus.Potentially buffs your damage by six, if you have Zegana in hand. Meh ultimate, so, will never be focused. Five drop. Maybe not going to UWx shell, but, I think he has a good place on not 100% control builds, because of his plus draw.
Then we reach on enchantments. Oppressive Rays
, Banishing Light
, Detention Sphere
, Dictate of Kruphix
? In a heavy chant build, Sphere of Safety
. If the count get over 10, Eidolon of Blossoms
deserves a spot?
Finally, the biggest difference of midrange and control, number of creatures and instants. Courser of Kruphix and Sylvan Caryatid are kinda the reason to chose Bant over UWR. But, Archangel of Thune ? Prime Speaker Zegana ? Plasm Capture ?
Questions and questions must be answered. Glad, Eduardogbg.
Eduardogbg says... #3
Would you believe if I told you that I hadn't saw your deck before? Yeah, it's look like midrange, maybe because of Stormbreath Dragon s. I think it's a middle term. 4 Jace, Architect of Thought , AEtherling , Sphinx's Revelation ...
I quoted those cards because I really like burn and love control, so,if I was going to build I would build that way. And that is how the thread came from. I have some cards for two decks, but UWR is too much expensive and need help to build Bant. Opened one of each temple along the block (WR THS, WU BNG and UR at JOU Prerelease), two Kioras and etc...
I think that if Archangel of Thune become a staple, Horizon Chimera will see play too.
May 2, 2014 8:06 p.m.
Ultimaodin says... #4
BANT could be many things, it's possibilities are pretty broad but BANT walkers will be huge especially with AJANI with 2 possibly infinite combos on the side of the deck. (sage + vorel + Ajani and Horizon Chimera + Thune + Fathom)
BANT enchantments could definitely be a thing but there is one main obstacle in its way Polis Crusher . Seriously, I already had these guys sideboard (and often came in), a control shell built around enchantments will have a hard time dealing with Polis Crusher.
May 2, 2014 9:50 p.m.
Eduardogbg says... #5
Yeah, enchants are very strong now, but, this block has to many enchantment hate. Constellation decks will have a hard time after turn 6. Polis Crusher can destroy multiple enchants, but, Sphere of Safety combined with Eye Gouge will prevent it.
Infinite Combos in standard are all kind of Gimmick. I never saw one that really had competitive future, all of then needs at least 3 cards, and few have a replacement to a card in the combo. A deck that have a infinite combo, but, it's not it's main win con, like the most efficient but not most built Sage of Hours decks, will play better.
Unfortunatelly I'm starting to think that the cliche UWx control build will see more play than Enchants or Midrange with Sphinx's Revelation ...
May 3, 2014 2:13 p.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #6
I think Bant has a few possibilities.
Control would be the most obvious, tho I've never been a huge fan of Kiora so splashing another color for her seems sketchy. However, Mistcutter Hydra is brutal in the mirror, Advent of the Wurm allows a more aggressive route than typical control, and Selesnya Charm is always solid.
In a midrange deck, you could simple ramp the hell out of the place for Angel of Serenity and Sphinx's Revelation , plus some nice fatties in between.
Finally, a Bant Flash deck is certainly playable, as I've been using one recently with pretty solid success. Advent, Boon Satyr , Fated Intervention , and counterspells make up the bulk of the deck. There are a lot of decisions to be made, but in the hands of a decent player, it can be really tough to play against.
May 3, 2014 8:51 p.m.
Eduardogbg says... #7
Seems you like flashing things. In case of flashing threats for a control deck, they should be finishers, or, be asied with Ephara. So, runing Ephara, and two enchantments with flash, it would be a constellation build. Loved the idea, Flashing Stars. Such a name.
Fated Intervention brings 2 draws from Eidolon of Blossoms and one from Ephara, God of the Polis . Dictate of Kruphix would bring more two cards combined with Eidolon. Prophet of Kruphix justifies running threats without flash. 1 of Brimaz, King of Oreskos , just because 2 cards from Ephara.
Selesnya Charm just because. We are talking about drawing and setting up, so, life and cards on a UW deck, I really don't know what Sphinx's Revelation to use ._.
Bant good Contellation cards. Not much in a midrange deck that tries to mix tempo and control. Playset of Sylvan Caryatid and two Courser of Kruphix . Some counter spells. Safety Sphere looks nice.
How sideboard should look like? Some Deicide , Supreme Verdict against blitz, Mistcutter Hydra against control, Syncopate and RIP against dredge... Looks solid.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #2
Thanks for hyping Stars & Stripes Midrange for me. I consider it midrange though.
I like Bant as a midrange deck as well. Maybe I'm biased as a midrange player but I think it has better tools and match ups. Kiora, the Crashing Wave is a shoe in, when you play her around other threats she ults more often than you'd think. Ajani, Mentor of Heroes can be good. Seems great alongside Kalonian Hydra and Archangel of Thune , getting max value from the support creatures. I know 2 players that pilot decks like this and they have been solid. Tough match up for MBD, U/W Control, and resilient to aggro.
This style of deck is ahead of the meta.
May 2, 2014 7:47 p.m.