I am struggling to understand this card Eidolon of Countless Battles
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Posted on March 9, 2014, 6:33 p.m. by VegetaWins_015
The bestow ability uses mana that I know however how does an aura get counters when its attached to another creature? I get the fact once the creature you attach it to dies the aura falls off and becomes its own thing but where do the counters go?
VegetaWins_015 says... #3
I still don't understand, the card reads that it self and the creature its attached to get a static boost but how does an aura get a static boost? Ethereal Armor gives a creature a static boost that stacks. I understand that the creature gets a stack boost from each aura and each creature but how does Eidolon of Countless Battles get one while its attached?
March 9, 2014 6:45 p.m.
Non-creatures can under get boosts to p/t, they just don't do anything. While Eidolon is an aura, it buffs itself, but the buff doesn't actually do anything to it.
March 9, 2014 6:48 p.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #5
So, Eidolon says that creature that is Bestowed gets +1/+1 for each aura and creature on the battlefield. So, assuming one creature, the Eidolon Bestowed upon it, and Ethereal Armor, the creature gets +4/+4 from the Eidolon Now, if the creature dies and ethereal armor goes to the graveyard, your Eidolon is a 1/1. If you put an Eidolon onto the existing Eidolon, your creature Eidolon is 3/3, and your Aura Eidolon gives it +3/+3. These numbers occur since, when the Eidolon is a creature, it counts once. When its an Aura, it counts twice. Once as an Aura (via Bestow) and its card type is still a creature, since it gives +1/+1 per Aura and creature each.
March 9, 2014 7:11 p.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #6
Put short, it is a ridiculous card, and I'm surprised no one is running four per, other than its slightly high Bestow cost.
March 9, 2014 7:12 p.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #7
There are no counters, just a static pump. The part that says "Eidolon of Countless Battles or enchanted creature" is simply there to save space and cover both scenarios (Eidolon as creature or Aura). Eidolon doesn't have p/t values when it's an Aura, nor is it treated as a creature.
March 9, 2014 7:45 p.m.
The reason it says "this creature and the one its attached to" is just a shorter way of saying "if this is a creature, it gets this. if its attached to a creature, that creature gets this instead". They just said it in a complicated way
March 9, 2014 8:51 p.m.
Also, Eidolon does not count twice when its an aura. When it is an aura, it is not a creature. When it is a creature it is not an aura. It only ever counts itself once. So in the example TheNinjaJesus gave, Eidolon is only a 2/2, with +2/+2, therefore a 4/4. Just to clarify.
March 9, 2014 10:33 p.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #10
Bestach- Ah, my mistake. See, I thought it counted twice because even though it enters as an Aura, if Bestowed, it still has the creature card type going on for it.
Bellock86 says... #2
The +1/+1 is not an actual counter like what you would get with Master Biomancer . It's a static buff more like what a Blanchwood Armor or Nightmare Lash would do.
March 9, 2014 6:36 p.m.