Is there any competitive deck without Jace?
Standard forum
Posted on Oct. 13, 2015, 2:57 a.m. by KB2187
All I can see is Megamorph, Red Variants and Dragon Controls. Anything else?
GeeksterPlays says... #3
Mardu or Abzan Aristocrats is starting to do things.
October 13, 2015 4:52 a.m.
It's under the radar, but Temur aggro is very strong right now as either straight aggro or a variant that abuses landfall and Hardened Scales is viable too.
October 13, 2015 7:43 a.m.
This sounds quite common for jace throughout the years...
October 13, 2015 8:17 a.m.
Chainer_the_Dementia_Master says... #7
I guess living guild pact had god tier power level as well lol.
Joking aside, yes, there are tons. Mostly aggro decks, but they are there. R/B aggro and B/W/x warriors or allies are both good decks that are flying under the radar right now.
October 13, 2015 8:47 a.m.
pumpkinwavy says... #8
Ummm.... Every abzan deck that has been dominating for the past year?
October 13, 2015 4:41 p.m.
GeeksterPlays says... #10
If you've got a decently built control deck using Jace then hardened scales decks don't do squat, you just spot (or mass) removal all the creatures getting benefit from the scales and they rest of the deck does nothing to hurt you without the creatures in play. Those decks are just typical green cr@p as far as I'm concerned. At least decks like red/burn and tutelage-mill can still try and kill you without their creatures doing much work. We need so see alt-win condition decks in Standard more. Playing creaures and just trying to do damage is getting kinda dull after the last few sets all being so creature-heavy.
October 16, 2015 7:12 a.m.
GeeksterPlays If you are talking about the hardened scales deck like that you have not played against. I literally had the same sentiment before I had played against it and what you end up realizing is your 5 mana board wipes and 3 mana targeted removal doesnt do shit when you have 5 8/8 on like turn 4. Not to mention hangarback walker surivives all the wraths and just hits you more with the thopters. Its not the best deck but it is not nearly as suseptible to control decks as you think. Also to respond to your last comment about having alt-win cons, what other win cons. There are not other win cons there is ONE mill deck possible there arent reliable enough other goals to not just kill someone with creatures. The format will stay creature dominant until wizards prints cards that support other win cons.
October 16, 2015 7:26 a.m.
GeeksterPlays says... #12
That was my point, I'd like to see some other win-cons printed for Standard. It probably won't happen, I just wish it would :P
October 16, 2015 7:30 a.m.
There is the life gain win condition using Felidar Sovereign at the moment.
I don't see many people playing it, but it is there.
Some Ally decks are also using a life leech win con with a combo of Kalastria Healer, Zulaport Cutthroat, and Drana's Emissary.
October 17, 2015 9:03 p.m.
HorrorAvengers says... #14
Only, you know, probably the best deck in standard right now. People need to stop sleeping on gwx megamorph. The deck's a killer, and contrary to popular beleif, runs over jace quite easily. Especially if people adopt the 9 removal setup, it shores up the deck's biggest weakness, and you have acess to 3 removal spells that are good against creatureless decks. I never see people talk about the deck, whivh is fine by my, means when i finish the deck at stwrt attending opens people will be less familiar with it
EpicFreddi says... #2
r/g eldrazi ramp is a thing if you can believe the scg youtube channel.
October 13, 2015 3:31 a.m.