Kiora's Place In Standard?
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Posted on Feb. 2, 2014, 8:58 a.m. by Arorsthrar
At my prerelease I pulled Kiora, the Crashing Wave and now I kind of want to use her. What deck type does she fit the best in, or should I get did of her before she completely crashes?
Servo_Token says... #3
While she's definitely not going the way of Tibalt, I wouldn't say that she's on the same stage as Elspeth either. That means that her price will remain pretty steady, but it will probably remain pretty low too. Maybe a $10 card once things get rolling.
She's alright in Maze's end, but I really wouldn't recommend it. She's more of a distraction than anything in there. The UG shell that JWiley129 mentioned is pretty solid, and she's a much better fit in there.
If UG is your thing, go for it and play her. Otherwise, she's worth a bit of cash.
February 2, 2014 9:17 a.m.
ThatBlueMage - I mention Maze's End turbofog since there is a guy at one of the LGS's here who runs that deck and said he's replacing his Urban Evolution s with Kiora, the Crashing Wave . And if a dedicated player of that deck is swapping out for Kiora, I'd trust him.
February 2, 2014 9:21 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #5
I have been playing a Maze's End deck literally since I got my promo maze's end at DGM Pre-release. (See my latest iteration; End of the Maze, bud.)
If your guy is replacing +3 card advantage with +1 advantage, he must not know what tempo is, because that's a pretty bad move.
I've tested Kiora in my build, as well as my secondary fog build, and believe me when I say that she was a disappointment in both. Being at 1 loyalty after use pretty much means that you just played a 4 mana explore that nets you 1 extra life. That's horrible when you could be playing Urban Evolution and net 3 cards for 1 more mana.
February 2, 2014 9:27 a.m.
AnagonLordofSnakes says... #6
I was thinking the other day that some sort of BuG Planeswalkers/good stuff deck would be great for her. Pack in Vraska the Unseen Kiora, the Crashing Wave maybe even Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver .
Then add some value creatures in.
Then come the counterspells/removal!
Complete random idea but who knows.
February 2, 2014 11:32 a.m.
Im looking to use 2 in my U/G flash deck. I think she can be a nice addition there.
February 2, 2014 1:40 p.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #8
Please, spare your dignity and refrain from playing a Maze's End deck. Any time you get the urge, just stay at home, goldfish, and count your Fog s. Unless you enjoy having your opponents roll their eyes at your deck before trashing it.
I honestly think the only respectable deck she could fit into is Bant control since Supreme Verdict is a must to protect her, but even then you want to run 4 Jace, Architect of Thought before you even consider Kiora. The two are very comparable when considering their CMC and abilities but Jace is better in every way. It doesn't help Kiora's cause that Jace can fit into every deck she can and then some.
If I pull one in a pack, I'll be trading it before its price plummets to Ral Zarek territory.
February 3, 2014 9:17 a.m.
I think the problem with the Bant control deck right now is that the Saito Azorius deck is just... amazing.
Seriously.
Maybe if the meta shifts a little the Bant sphinx's deck would be better, but the land base and the simple amazingness of the Azorius deck will hold it down until then.
It will look something like this though:
February 3, 2014 2:23 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #10
@ ChrisHansonBiomancin I don't know about that, kiora has a better ultimate.
February 3, 2014 3:04 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #11
I'd like to see her in RUG creatureless super-friends. with Whelming Wave , Steam Augury , counters, ramp and other good stuff.
February 3, 2014 3:06 p.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #12
@Schuesseled: Setting aside the fact that the ultimate should never be part of the discussion when evaluating a planeswalker, Jace's ult is far more flexible and can basically win the game immediately, whereas Kiora's is easily defeated or stalled by chump blockers, bounces, Detention Sphere , Ratchet Bomb , Assemble the Legion ... Elspeth, Sun's Champion 's plus can shut it down. Her plus!
JWiley129 says... #2
You could do either. There's lots of talk of Kiora fitting into a Maze's End Turbofog deck, but I just finished watching Star City Games BNG set review and the pro player on it said that he has Kiora, the Crashing Wave in a UG devotion shell. Apparently he had a lot of fun playing it and I'm really curious to see what it looks like.
February 2, 2014 9:10 a.m.