M14 Cards- What do we think they're going to be worth?
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Posted on July 3, 2013, 7:03 a.m. by dream_cast
Hello everyone.
Apologies if this topic has already been raised.
I'd like to know peoples thoughts on prices of cards, and which do you think people should be pre-ordering before release.
Let me know what you think.
E.g. I've seen Primeval Bounty around the $8 mark. Do you think that's realistic, or will the price surge?
dream_cast says... #3
Hence why I thought I'd draw a bit on community knowledge, since I'm kicking myself for not pre-ordering a playset of Voice.
July 3, 2013 7:10 a.m.
Archangel of thune seems like a safe bet to be worth around $8. Primordial hydra may get some value. Scavenging Ooze and Mutavault are definite money cards. Galerider sliver is also probably going to be worth something. Witchstalker and fiendslayer paladin both look very powerful also. Oh yeah. manaweft sliver will be a $3 uncommon. Planeswalkers are generally a safe bet but these ones are a bit underwhelming, kinda like Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded , but i reckon they'll be at least $5
July 3, 2013 7:11 a.m.
dream_cast says... #5
Scavening Ooze is going to be worth like $5 due to the Duels of the Planeswalkers Promo print. Which has killed that card.
July 3, 2013 7:12 a.m.
dream_cast says... #6
Do you mean Kalonian Hydra? That looks like a $8+ card to me.
July 3, 2013 7:13 a.m.
Oh yeah, forgot about that, but restoration angel was i think an FNM promo, but it's still worth $20 or so.
July 3, 2013 7:13 a.m.
dream_cast says... #8
FNM promo is rarer to come by that a game you can pick up for like $12 though.
July 3, 2013 7:13 a.m.
Yes i do. dream_cast. I'd sell a planeswalker if i got one, since I think there's always going to be OMG NEW PLANESWALKER!!!!!!!!!!! kind of hype, but people will soon realise that they actually aren't that good. If you sell them during the hype time, you'll get a good deal i reckon. kinda like Ral Zarek and Gideon, Champion of Justice . Gideon just plummeted. Ral zarek was worth 30-40 in prerelease hype mode, and has dropped to i think around 20 now.
July 3, 2013 7:15 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #10
@dream_cast: Sorry, but I have a feeling that's dead wrong. Scavenging Ooze is a format all-star. It shuts down reanimator, and the reprint has huge possibilities for Modern.
July 3, 2013 7:22 a.m.
dream_cast says... #11
I agree, I'm going to sell/trade Garruk straight away if I pull one.
I think Chandra will probably stay at a reasonable price for a while because red has few alternatives in Standard. She actually works really well in Gruul too from the looks of things.(She's got a pre-order guideline of around $20 from the looks of things)
July 3, 2013 7:22 a.m.
dream_cast says... #12
Okay Epoch, I'll take your advice and cling onto mine in that case.Thanks for the hat tip.
July 3, 2013 7:23 a.m.
I have strong feelings about kalonian hydra. He might be limited in what standard decks he's good in but EDH he seems very viable. Anything counter based at all that thing could be a rockstar.
July 3, 2013 7:43 a.m.
dream_cast says... #14
So, the same can be said for http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/vastwoodhydra.html
Also, what are people's thoughts on Savage Summoning? 1CMC drop for can't be countered card. http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/savagesummoning.html
July 3, 2013 7:48 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #15
Savage Summoning is good, but we've yet to see if it's as broken as it looks, or if it's even playable. Flash is always nice, but counterspells aren't always relevant.
The big question to ask there is "how often is this deck going to want to use two cards to net one creature?"
July 3, 2013 8:05 a.m.
ShimmerVoid says... #16
I'm with Epoch on the Scavenging Ooze. It's going to be amazing in Modern with Deathrite Shaman , Snapcaster Mage and Tarmogoyf all around the place. It's going to be in a decent spot pre-rotation as well for Standard. It wrecks Reanimator decks, stops Snapcaster Mage s and grows at instant speed.
If you haven't got a copy of Duels 2014 on Steam yet, now is a good time to do so (you get a promo Scavenging Ooze as well - while stock lasts).
I also really like Savage Summoning. Not sure how it's going to fare in Standard though but Flashing a creature in while making it uncounterable AND on top of that giving it counters sounds like a really good deal for just G.
July 3, 2013 8:28 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #17
The mana, flavor, and power of the card are all there. It's quite strong in the right matchup.
...But it costs you a card...
July 3, 2013 8:57 a.m.
Savage summoning will either broken or junk. People could Render Silent in response and stop the creature part by barring you from casting additional spells that turn. At best savage summoning is broken. At worst it could be a bait card. Only time will tell
July 3, 2013 9:56 a.m.
dream_cast says... #19
What do you think of Primeval Bounty?
Think it could reach the $15-20 mark? It certainly seems like it would appeal in EDH or Modern play.
July 3, 2013 9:58 a.m.
Seems slow for modern and standard (if the meta doesn't slow down as a whole). EDH it could certainly be viable though
July 3, 2013 10 a.m.
I think this new "Haunted Plate Mail" could be worth something...
Can easily be played in almost any Standard deck. Is nearly impervious to most common forms of removal. Turns even the smallest utility creature into Mid-Range, or can be mid-range on it's own. Multiple work well together.... It'll probably replace Geist of Saint Traft in my Bant resurgence deck, come rotation.
I also like "Elite Archanist"... don't know if he'll be worth a lot, but I can't wait to use it with Render Silent for ultimate lock-down, or Safe Passage for unlimited turbo-fog.
July 3, 2013 10:16 a.m.
dream_cast says... #22
I can see Haunted Plate Mail being viable in Control indeed. If Aetherling gets targeted; return your Aetherling to hand for 1 mana, then convert your equipment into a 4/4.
July 3, 2013 10:20 a.m.
That, or clear the board with Supreme Verdict , and still attack for 4. (Keeping your AEtherling by flickering it first)
In RDW, it can at least sideboard in in not mainboard against control. You can animate it before casting Haste creatures and swing with multiple... or cast the hast creature and equip to swing with a larger creature... whichever suits the situation.
Mid range... well, it's just another great creature that's hard to deal with.
Combo... this might be the least useful spot for it... but it depends on the combo. Might be better off with combo pieces, or cards that let you search for the pieces... still might be useful though.
July 3, 2013 10:29 a.m.
I think the Fiendslayer Paladin, Tidebinder Mage, and Witchstalker cycle is good. The Paladin is a 2/2 first strike lifelink for 3, with a nice bonus, which is pretty nice. The Mage is a 2/2 for UU, which is meh, but it pretty much shuts down any red or green creature, which is sick. The Witchstalker is a 3/3 hexproof for 3, which is nice, and it gets bigger against control. It totally screws over control, because the only way control gets rid of it is with a board wipe, and who wants to use a board wipe on just one creature. Hopefully the Red and Black ones will be good.
July 3, 2013 10:49 a.m.
dream_cast says... #25
I think Fiendslayer Paladin is on the front of the boosters :)
I must agree he is a welcome addition.
July 3, 2013 11:28 a.m.
MindAblaze says... #26
What do you guys think of Strionic Resonator? Copying triggered abilities seems like it could have potential if not for standard then potentially somewhere
July 3, 2013 12:03 p.m.
dream_cast says... #27
It does seem useful. I don't know if you'd be able to copy e.g. Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker , Corpsejack Menace or Primordial Hydra 's triggers, can anyone confirm?
July 3, 2013 12:08 p.m.
The Resonator has STRONG potential. ETB effects alone make this powerful. There are also things like Door of Destinies getting twice the counters put on it, and the new Mythic Hydra now quadrupling the number of +1/+1 counters on all your creatures when it attacks.
...I'm just wondering how it works with "Elite Anarchist"... "When Elite Arcanist enters the battlefield, you may exile an instant card from your hand.", can now exile 2 cards... so how does the "X, T: Copy the exiled card. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost. X is the converted mana cost of the exiled card." part work...? can you copy one of your choice?... do you pay X for one spell, and end up copying both...?
July 3, 2013 12:15 p.m.
Corpsejack Menace would not be a valid target as it is a replacement effect, but the other 2 would. (Hydra only durring upkeep, not the "Enters with" part)
The reminder text on the Resonator should help to keep that clear. (A triggered ability uses the words "when," "whenever," or "at.")
July 3, 2013 12:18 p.m.
dream_cast says... #30
I think it would only respect the last spell exiled. So that ETB would hinder rather than help. (That's my understanding).
July 3, 2013 12:20 p.m.
dream_cast says... #31
I think it would only respect the last spell exiled. So that ETB would hinder rather than help. (That's my understanding).
However, using Illusionist's Bracers on Elite Arcanist would be insane.
July 3, 2013 12:21 p.m.
dream_cast says... #32
Ignore me, clearly I'm at work and going insane. Illusionist's Bracers on Elite Arcanist would be an invalid target as it is a mana-cost ability. - . -'
July 3, 2013 12:22 p.m.
dream_cast says... #33
Back to the subject at hand, would Strionic Resonator also work on Voice of Resurgence 's ability?
July 3, 2013 12:28 p.m.
The activated ability on Elite Aecanist is not a mana ability, "mana ability" refers to it producing mana, not the fact that mana is required to activate it.
There's nothing in the Elite Anarchist's wording that makes me think it will only look at the most recently Exiled card. It should look at both, to the best of it's abilities.
When you activate it, it should attempt to do whatever it can, in the best way possible.
So, assuming you Exile a spell with CMC2 and another with CMC5
"Copy the exiled card."... it makes a copy of both.
Then, "You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost."... you may cast both copies.
When X is paid, it sees both 2 and 5 as the CMC (same as how Turn / Burn is seen as having both 2 AND 3... not 5CMC) - "X is the converted mana cost of the exiled card."... since the CMC is 2, 2 can be paid.
July 3, 2013 12:35 p.m.
Yes, Voice of Resurgence 's ability would be a legal target for the Resonator. It is "triggered", "whenever" it either dies, or an opponent plays a spell during your turn.
July 3, 2013 12:37 p.m.
dream_cast says... #36
So you could use both Strionic Resonator and Illusionist's Bracers on your Elite Arcanist, which would proc two copies of either spell you chose to cast.
July 3, 2013 12:46 p.m.
Notably, the Resonator can duplicate Extort triggers, Evolve triggers, Cipher triggers....
Also, you can cause Huntmaster of the Fells Flip to transform twice during the upkeep after no spells were cast... transforming once to deal 2 damage to an opponent, and 2 to a creature that player controls... then transform back, getting a 2/2 wolf creature, and gain 2 life.
...Or instead, when he transforms, you can cause him to deal 4 damage to a player, and 4 damage to creature(s) the player controls...
This card has SOOOooo many options!!
July 3, 2013 12:51 p.m.
I think that's how the Resonator would work with the Arcanist... but I'd wait to see what rulings are made. It would effect nearly every imprint card that has been printed, so I think Modern and even Legacy may want rulings on this.
As for Illusionist's Bracers , yes it works like that. If you Exile a Lightning Bolt , you can get 2 free copies if he is equipped with the bracers.
From the way I see it... if you Exiled a Lightning Bolt and a Searing Wind , and there is an Illusionist's Bracers on him.... you could pay 1, and deal 26 damage. (2x copies of Lightning Bolt , and 2x copies of Searing Wind ).
July 3, 2013 1:12 p.m.
MagicalHacker says... #40
Maybe I'm totally off, but these are the money rares I'm predicting for M14:
- Archangel of Thune
- Liliana's Reaver
- Xathrid Necromancer
- Scavenging Ooze
- Kalonian Hydra
- Mutavault
- Haunted Plate Mail
July 3, 2013 1:26 p.m.
Further thinking about the interactions of the Resonator and the Elite, make me think I was partly right... I do believe you would cast a copy of BOTH spells... This is because when the Elite refers to the "exiled card", it really refers to the "linked item(s)"... thus all items exiled this way (both cards) are being referred to.
But when it comes to X, I think that when evaluating X, it would return 2 and 5.... thus you would need to pay, 2 and 5 (thus 7 total) in order to activate the ability.
This is similar to Duskmantle Seer revealing a Split card, such as Turn / Burn ... the CMC is both 2 and 3, so it deals both 2 and 3 to the player. - In the same respect, if the CMC of the card(s) exiled is 2 and 5, then you would have to pay 2 and 5 to activate the ability...
Note: - If this is the case, then a card such as Beck / Call is a bad choice for the Elite to Exile... it would mean that you have to pay 8 to activate it, and only get to cast one side.
July 3, 2013 2:01 p.m.
Jesus. That thing is on a fast track to the ban list in like EVERY format of except standard unless they run some major rulngs on it. Lol
July 3, 2013 2:23 p.m.
Isochron Scepter
can imprint a split card if one of its sides has CMC 2 or less and it's an instant. For example, Odds/Ends
and Research/Development
CAN be imprinted, and you can cast the higher CMC half when you tap the scepter.
708.2. In every zone except the stack, split cards have two sets of characteristics and two converted mana costs. As long as a split card is a spell on the stack, only the characteristics of the half being cast exist. The other half's characteristics are treated as though they didn't exist.
708.2a If a player casts a split card, that player chooses which half of that split card he or she is casting before putting it onto the stack. Only the half that is being cast is considered to be put onto the stack.
Fuse cards may have different rulings to split cards, but you can imprint a split card and cast the other half.
July 4, 2013 8:02 p.m.
That is all true.. but still does not answer what would happen if the Isochron Scepter Imprints 2 cards via Strionic Resonator.
I believe, if you (using your examples) imprinted both Odds/Ends , and Research/Development , then when you activated the Scepter, you would have a copy of each you could cast... thus you could cast both Ends and Development, for only the 2 mana needed to activate the Scepter.
But we'll have to see the rulings from Wizards before we can say for sure.
July 4, 2013 10:16 p.m.
Golden_Ladybug says... #45
I'm assuming that our good friend the Isochron Scepter on legs, Elite Arcanist will be making a decent showing, even if it doesn't double-cast its imprinted Spells off of Strionic Resonator.
I'm absolutely certain that Chandra, Pyromaster will see a reasonable amount of play in certain decks, but I doubt she'll be widespread enough to really bank on her. I don't think Garruk, Caller of Beasts will be worth much for Standard constructed, but he may have some interesting applications for formats with bigger, badder green threats and the means to get him out in a more relevant time frame.
Witchstalker and Lifebane Zombie are both going to be very good, as will Fiendslayer Paladin. I could see them stabilising for $5+ apiece.
I doubt that Primeval Bounty will go any higher than $8, unless it gets integrated into Bant Control or something. But if its competing for the 6drop slots with AEtherling , I think the Bounty is going to be the card that loses out.
July 6, 2013 9:12 a.m.
archangel (33), garruk (18), chandra (18) will all be droping soon. i wouldnt be suprised if archangel was 18-20 by rotation and both planeswalkers around 8-12 that primal hunter sat at for last year.
I could see scavenging ooze, witchstalker and xathrid necromancer holding or rising, but not much else
July 20, 2013 12:31 a.m.
Kalonian Hydra is just under $30 right now. I'm really kicking myself for not preordering those as was my gut instinct. Oh well. Cant win them all.
Epochalyptik says... #2
Honestly, the prerelease market is a complete shitshow. That is my financial advice.
If you're looking to speculate, you need to know the meta really well. You need to know how every new card might impact Standard (and, to a lesser extent, Modern, Legacy, and EDH).
You also need to know how to both avoid and exploit hype.
July 3, 2013 7:08 a.m.