Ramp Post Rotation
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Posted on May 20, 2015, 1:50 p.m. by HorridBEAST
What do you think is going to replace Sylvan Caryatid and Courser of Kruphix as the staple ramp cards in standard? I'm assuming Elvish Mystic will get a reprint in Origin's, but what will see play along side it?
Rattleclaw Mystic has been seeing a decent amount of play, will it just slide into the void left by Caryatid? Or will Shaman of Forgotten Ways steal the stage? Is there any chance that Whisperer of the Wilds will see the top 8? Do you think there will be a new ramp card printed in either Origins or Return to Zendikar that will be as amazing as Sylvan Caryatid and Courser of Kruphix?
ughhhh..... how can people not see the difference, especially when its' been pointed out since Courser of Kruphix was released. Courser of Kruphix does not ramp. Elvish Mystic, Sylvan Caryatid, Rattleclaw Mystic, and Whisperer of the Wilds are all ramp cards. They provide you access to more mana beyond your initial 1x land per turn. For example: having access to 4 mana on turn 3 because you have a Sylvan Caryatid in play. Courser of Kruphix does not do this and therefore does not ramp. What the courser does is provide you a way to more reliably hit your land drops while giving you additional information by revealing your top card. You will never ever play a courser and have access to more mana beyond your 1x land per turn. I know it seems like something small, but knowing and understanding these basic concepts will help you more than hurt you in the long run.
May 20, 2015 2:08 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #4
When Farseek left, it was replaced by Sylvan Caryatid. Therefore we do not and cannot know until BFZ spoilers come out in like, a thousand years.
May 20, 2015 2:12 p.m.
HorridBEAST says... #5
I know Courser of Kruphix isn't ramp but it is regularly played next to ramp, and will leave large shoes to be filled
May 20, 2015 2:16 p.m.
I assumed you didn't know since you refer to it as "a staple ramp card in standard". Also, it may be heavily played and often played next to ramp, but you didn't ask what's gonna replace the cards that see heavy play when they rotate. You asked about the available ramp and what we predict will come. If that's not what you wanted to know about then I suggest phrasing your question in a way that it asks what you really wanted to know.
May 20, 2015 3:07 p.m.
i feel that with the amount of large casters in the Dragons block they will create or reprint at least a few rampers other than what will stay standard. whether they are rares or basic ramp chumps is anybodys guess. Caryatid will be missed dearly if not replaced by something of equal significance.
May 20, 2015 3:07 p.m.
@abenz419 - I would view Courser of Kruphix as a ramp card... Not that it ramps, but rather that it is played in the ramp shell.
There's no arguing that Sphinx's Revelation is a control card... but it doesn't control anything on the board. - It doesn't counter, it doesn't destroy or exile, it doesn't bounce... but it does do something that control shell needs. It draws cards (with the added bonus of life gain).
In the same way, Ramp needs to ensure that you hit every land drop (it's a huge waste if you're trying to ramp, but gang get land every turn)... and Courser of Kruphix does a great job of ensuring you hit that land, (with an added bonus of card advantage).
So...
Does it Ramp... No!
Is it a Ramp card... Yes!
May 20, 2015 3:56 p.m. Edited.
AngryBearTony says... #9
At this point, wild speculation is all we have. We might see the return of the Expeditions. Maybe we'll get Harrow, or Lotus Cobra, or Greenweaver Druid, of the Oracle of Mul Daya (doubtful), or even some others, like Expedition Map (doubtful, being printed in MM2015) or Explorer's Scope. Maybe Cultivate or Kodama's Reach. Realistically, it's pointless, yet fun, to speculate. Of course we'll get something, but who knows what form it may take. Do NOT expect an auto Elvish Mystic or Llanowar Elves or similar thing, though.
May 20, 2015 5:45 p.m.
@Rayenous See that's where your wrong. Sphinx's Revelation shines in a control shell and is almost exclusively used in control decks, however no one is silly enough to think Sphinx's Revelation is a control card. They know how it adds to control's overall strategy by helping stabilize their life total and drawing cards but people aren't as dumb as your giving them credit for. They know it's a draw spell and nothing more. I mean even you knew the difference, which is why you named off a bunch of control cards to compare it to, but failed to name any other draw spells a "control card" despite their regular use in control shells as well. It's because you wouldn't call Divination, Think Twice, or Sign in Blood control cards because just like sphinx's rev, they're draw spells.
Yes, Courser of Kruphix is beneficial in the ramp decks (especially devotion based ramp), but Ramp does not require Courser of Kruphix to function. Your confusing good synergy with a "ramp spell". Your last couple statements sort of prove my point. Your literally agreeing that it does not ramp but then continue to insist that it ramps. It should say.... Does it ramp? No! Is it a ramp spell? By definition if it does not ramp it is not a ramp spell (common sense)... so NO! I fail to see what point your trying to make when you agree with me that it does not ramp but then insist than I'm wrong.
JWiley129 says... #2
It's too damn early to be worrying about "post-rotation". Just play your decks and worry about that once BFZ comes out.
May 20, 2015 1:53 p.m.