Scrylands
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Posted on Oct. 13, 2013, 9:32 a.m. by mbooma
Should you use a scryland that only has one colour matching your deck? I play black green, which gives me access to every scryland, i would like the option but i feel it might be too slow. Should i just wait for born of the gods?
Bobgalarneau says... #3
If the deck isa gressive, it's probably a NO...If the deck is slower, it might be usefull
October 13, 2013 9:44 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #4
Nope. That's like playing a basic land that comes into play tapped but lets you scry.
October 13, 2013 9:44 a.m.
Guild Gates are honestly just as acceptable in alot of cases, unless you're really reliant on the scry.
October 13, 2013 9:47 a.m.
yeah at the moment i have 4 shockland and 4 guildgate, but i like the idea of being able to scry when i play the land. Sadly they haven't released a b/g one yet. I suppose it would just make me more vunerable to Burning Earth
October 13, 2013 10:22 a.m.
if your planning to keep the shockland's and the guildgates in there then I'd say NO. That's 12 lands coming into play tapped and that's probably half of your entire mana base, if not more. (yes I know the shocks don't always have to come into play tapped, but you also don't have to always shock them in either)
October 13, 2013 10:32 a.m.
Like others have said, you can test running the scry lands with an off-color mana. That said, it doesn't make much sense to me. It seems like the downside of being slowed down when you have a land come in tapped would hurt more than than the scry would help. If scrying is that important, run a utility card in your colors like Read the Bones , Gods Willing , Magma Jet , or Omenspeaker
October 13, 2013 10:36 a.m.
I wouldn't say it's a completely stupid idea though as it is something that even the pro's have considered. Yesterday I got on the MTG website and watched a little bit of PT Theros. The very first thing I saw on the webcast was them talking to one of the players going over his deck list. I believe he had a R/G/B deck and he had 1 copy of Temple of Silence in there. He said he used it specifically for the scry 1, because his deck and sideboard didn't contain one single white card. He also said had Magma Jet (a card he said and I quote "sucks") in there only for the scry, as the 2 damage typically wasn't enough to make a difference and in literally every game he was sideboarding it out. He was 7-1 at the time of the interview, so I would say that it'll all depend on how it effects your deck. As mentioned, he only had 1 copy in there, so that means he wasn't drawing it every game and more often than not, when he did, it was later in the game when the ability to scry can be even more advantageous.
October 13, 2013 10:57 a.m.
The only time I'd run a dual land where I wasn't using both colours would be if the dual had basic land types and running it allowed me to run additional fetches.
IE: In a B/W deck I'd use a W/U dual if it meant I could use, say, a U/G fetchland.
October 13, 2013 11:45 a.m.
@Devonin in your example though that means including a dual land that only provides you with one of your colors and adding in more cards to find that one specific card. That would be a lot of wasted space in the deck and would probably make adding in that dual land pointless. Where as in the example I gave of the pro who had just the 1 copy of Temple of Silence it was all about the scry 1 ability. It essentially allowed him to scry 1 for free while also adding B to his mana base. Also, only running one meant he wasn't going to regularly draw it in his starting hand so when he did see it, it was later in the game where deck fixing is more advantageous than it is during the first couple of turns. I'm not saying it's a good or bad idea to add it, was just trying to point out that even pro's are experimenting with the idea because of how valuable scrying is, and in your example there is no advantage because it just adds mana and not the scry which was the whole point in the first place
October 13, 2013 11:58 a.m.
It doesn't add more land...
Each fetch takes the place of a basic land, each dual land takes the place of a basic land.
In a deck with 20 land, you're pretty much never getting all 20 land onto the battlefield in a game unless you've been flooded.
The point is to get all the land out of the deck ASAP so I can draw spells instead. I could run in the B/W deck above, a swamp and a plains, or I could run a W/U dual land and a U/G fetch. If I draw the W/U dual, it's the same as your example, using the scryland with only one colour. If I draw the fetch, I can basically remove two land cards in one turn to end up with the same net effect of a W/U dual on the battlefield, one less land card in the deck to draw at an inopportune time, and I get a shuffle, which is arguably much more useful than a scry.
October 13, 2013 12:08 p.m.
the whole point of it is to get the scry. I think that's what your missing. Using a different dual land that doesn't scry would defeat the purpose of adding the one in for a chance to scry for free later on.
October 13, 2013 5:44 p.m.
Well the point is completely outside the scry or not because this is the thread for standard, and, what fetches?
I was just defending my original point about when I'd use a dual land with only one colour in my deck present. For the purposes of this thread, you could have substituted my answer for a "no" to the OP.
October 13, 2013 6:09 p.m.
Im only interested in peoples thoughts on adding a scryland for the sake of scry not the dual colour advantage. I'm already running 2 Read the Bones for some added card draw, as well as having the whip to pull from the grave.
Bobgalarneau says... #2
I believe you meant it does not give you acces to any scryland yet. If you would use an off-colored sryland, you would basicaly get a tapped, scry, basic land. It is kind of slow, but if your deck realy need the scry to filter your deck..... I say try it and see what comes of it..... Worst case you replace them for basic....
October 13, 2013 9:43 a.m.