So Willbreaker and Descent of Dragons combo?
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Posted on July 5, 2015, 10:45 a.m. by pleasiodmakerblooloo
When Descent of Dragons was printed along with Dragon Tempest, I'm sure that most people saw the potential for a deck that could win in a similar way to modern's Scapeshift. Although, these cards alone proved not adequate enough, and the idea was soon dropped. Then Willbreaker was spoiled. With will-breaker on the battlefield, you can cast Descent of Dragons targeting your opponents x number of creatures, and then YOU recieve that same x number of tokens, resulting in one hell of a board wipe. Throw in Dragon Tempest for a win-con, token generators for targets and possibly Battlefield Thaumaturge for easier costs and we have a pretty cool Izzet combo deck. I was just wondering what you guys might think of this deck.
ducttapedeckbox says... #3
It's fragile. You could probably win a game or two at an FNM, but that's about it. Maybe a match.
Willbreaker looks like fun, but she's going to eat some form of removal in response to Descent of Dragons being cast. You will have blue for countermagic, but then we're just adding more pieces to the puzzle.
You're also relying on your opponent running a creature-based deck. What if they don't have creatures out, or what if they're hexproof dragons? What if they're playing control and don't even run creatures?
I'm not necessarily trying to dissuade you from playing this deck, but rather warn you of the inherent weaknesses of a combo deck like this.
EDIT: By "like this," I mean a combo deck that has many pieces and is easily disrupted. I am not saying that combo decks in general are weak.
July 5, 2015 11:03 a.m. Edited.
I highly recommend coming up with a way to flash in Willbreaker somehow so you don't have to tap out on turn 5. Also, I recommend using Boseiju, Who Shelters All to protect your Decent of dragons .
July 5, 2015 12:35 p.m.
RussischerZar says... #5
@ducttapedeckbox: if she's going to be killed in response to Descent of Dragons it's already too late as her triggers will be on the stack.
July 5, 2015 1:29 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #6
@ RussischerZar -I wasn't sure how that would work since you only get them as long as you control Willbreaker. I'm bad with those intricacies...
July 5, 2015 1:52 p.m.
RussischerZar says... #7
Actually you're right. I totally didn't read the last part of Willbreaker :O
July 5, 2015 2:14 p.m.
pleasiodmakerblooloo says... #8
I would just like to make this clear, although I mentioned a modern deck, that was only to highlight similarities, this is meant only to be a standard deck.
July 5, 2015 2:21 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #9
My comment was geared towards Standard. This wouldn't stand a chance in Modern.
Ooh awesome, RussischerZar. Well, not for the OP's case. Glad I know I can do this should I come to this situation (although my Standard deck doesn't run any creatures soooo.....).
July 5, 2015 7:34 p.m.
if Willbreaker was killed in response to Descent of Dragons then your opponent would end up with the tokens. Lets say you cast Descent of Dragons targeting 3 of your opps. creatures. Willbreaker will trigger 3 times and each one will be added to the stack. Then in response to all that your opponent cast Ultimate Price on Willbreaker. The stack would then look like (from top to bottom)... Ultimate Price, Willbreaker trigger, Willbreaker trigger, Willbreaker trigger, Descent of Dragons. So when it resolves, Ultimate Price will kill your Willbreaker, then as each of the Willbreaker triggers resolved you would gain control of your opponents creature and then immediately return it, then finally Descent of Dragons will resolve and destroy the 3 creatures leaving your opponent with the dragon tokens.
July 5, 2015 8:17 p.m.
RussischerZar says... #11
@ abenz419: Actually, when killing a creature with the "for as long as you control" clause, you would never get the creatures, not even for a split second. This is similar to the effect of cards like Banisher Priest, where creatures would get another ETB trigger (or you could remove counters from e.g. a Genesis Hydra) which doesn't happen.
See also the Gatherer ruling on Dragonlord Silumgar:
"If Dragonlord Silumgar ceases to be under your control before its ability resolves, you wont gain control of the creature or planeswalker at all."
JexInfinite says... #2
If you don't enjoy winning, go for it. Otherwise, you'll get stomped by the numerous control decks in the format. I'd suggest playing something like that in EDH, where you can actually cast the cards, rather than be stuck on 4 mana and have nothing to play.
July 5, 2015 10:57 a.m.