Standard Possible Ban
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Posted on Feb. 18, 2014, 4:14 p.m. by Ruric
i was thinking of which in your opinion the most likely candidate for banned list in standard or at least the closest one
IMO is: Stormbreath Dragon
whats yours?
ForPsionics says... #3
why would stormbreath dragon be banned? its not overpowered in the least.
February 18, 2014 4:22 p.m.
I nominate this thread. Title is misleading and ythe subject matter is irrelevant. Nothing is broken like jtms or sfm.
February 18, 2014 4:23 p.m.
Wizards doesn't ban anything in Standard, just because Stormbreath Dragon is fantastic and hard to deal with doesn't mean they'll ban it because someone can't beat it when they play against it.
February 18, 2014 4:23 p.m.
Is there even a banned list for Standard? And sets that aren't legal don't count as a banned list, I'm talking "Card X is banned in Standard despite being in a Standard Legal set."
February 18, 2014 4:26 p.m.
i believe everyone is confused......sorry my bad,... didn't get to explain myself very well
February 18, 2014 4:29 p.m.
JWiley129 Yes, throughout the history of Standard there have been about 20 cards in total banned in the format. Stuff like Skullclamp , Jace, the Mind Sculptor , etc. There are however no cards currently banned in the Standard card pool.
February 18, 2014 4:31 p.m.
back in my days Arcbound Ravager was banned from standard....so it is possible to happen i know it may be far away from any card now....but just wanted to know whick is the card you guys think is just deadly or too powerful in a game....
February 18, 2014 4:34 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #11
There is a standard banned list, though it is empty 99% of the time.
As for right now, I wouldn't vote to ban anything because nothing is broken or degenerate enough to be ban worthy. There's absolutely nothing broken or ban-worthy about Stormbreath Dragon , so I'm not really understanding why you'd vote to ban it.
February 18, 2014 4:34 p.m.
Killabeetle says... #13
One word AEtherling though I am sure it will never get banned. IMO it is the most broken cards in standard...Yes it can be countered/slaughter gamed ect. but can anyone think of a card that is harder to deal with ?
February 18, 2014 4:37 p.m.
Killabeetle ....AEtherling i wasn't thinking about this one, once it gets in play and with lands available is really hard to get rid of
February 18, 2014 4:40 p.m.
Killabeetle, be glad that AEtherling is in the same block as Pithing Needle so we at least have a possible answer to it. Could you imagine if Pithing Needle rotated out before Aetherling?
February 18, 2014 4:41 p.m.
I wonder if it was planned for it work out this way.
February 18, 2014 4:43 p.m.
I would agree with Killabeetle that AEtherling is more likely/ appropriate to be banned than Stormbreath Dragon . SBD dies to almost any removal spell in standard that I can think of where as AEtherling says "oh you targeted me. That's cute. Bye. Blink" and even dodges board wipes. But I don't think anything is actually broken enough to be banned in standard. Even AEtherling has an easy answer available to anyone regardless of what deck they are running in Pithing Needle .
February 18, 2014 4:46 p.m.
Ruric The Standard ban list represents some of the most egregiously powerful and format defining cards. Most of the cards that have graced that ban list pushed out and excluded all other options or archtypes in their respective runs, making for some very unfun and stale environments. For players who were active during those specific times, the mere suggestion that something like Stormbreath Dragon even approaches that level of pervasiveness is unthinkable. Stormbreath Dragon could be double its size and probably still wouldn't approach the degenerative nature some of these cards created. So that's why I think you're getting a bit of a bite back.
A better title might have been something like "What card do you hate playing against most in Standard?".
February 18, 2014 4:47 p.m.
Killabeetle says... #22
I dont even run Pithing Needle I depend more on Slaughter Games and Thoughtseize for the W/U and Esper match ups. the needle is to easy to remove
February 18, 2014 4:48 p.m.
Thanks, Slycne. I know that there exists a banned list, but I was curious if it was empty.
But yeah, there isn't a card in Standard worthy of being banned. The closest card, in my opinion, might be Pack Rat since many games against mono-black are determined by when Pack Rat is played and how many they can make before they are out of reach of removal.
February 18, 2014 4:49 p.m.
i do believe they do that on purpose just like Fade into Antiquity and the GODs or the reprint of Annul are very convenient on this times, i believe when a card gets banned in stadard is because they didnt do enough playtesting or didnt realize the impact the card would have on the standard block until is spread
February 18, 2014 4:50 p.m.
the last Standard to have a banned list was Mirrodin Standard (not Scars, the original one): Skullclamp , Disciple of the Vault (the first common to be banned in it's own block) artifact lands, were all banned when Mirrodin block was legal in Standard.
nothing since has come close to being banned, not even Umezawa's Jitte which many still think SHOULD have been banned, but it never was.
a 5 cost red creature that's merely hard to kill and has an ability that costs 7 is definitely not bannable material, not when a 2 cost artifact with a really powerful ability never got the ban-hammer.
February 18, 2014 5:01 p.m.
Slycne im really sorry im still getting you confused but i really love SBD red is my fav color and im a pretty huge fan of it,
February 18, 2014 5:02 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #28
If stormbreath dragon cost 1R to cast, and 3R to monstrous, it would be ban-worthy.
February 18, 2014 5:03 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #29
Indeed, things that have been banned in the past have been game winners that are very cheap, or just flat out stupid, like our friend jace. The reason for this is that standard is a slow format, unlike other formats where turn 3,2,1 wins are not only possible but expected, stuff only gets banned from standard if it can win games too fast.
February 18, 2014 5:18 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #30
@ElPared: Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Stoneforge Mystic had to be banned near the end of their natural run in Standard. There was a really awkward exception for the Mystic, as she had been printed in an Event Deck, so she was only allowed if you were playing that Event Deck with no changes to the original list.
I don't think there are any bannable problem cards right now. Though all of the best decks have some completely aggravating element to them, they're all different. There's no one card or strategy completely dominating the format.
February 18, 2014 5:22 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #31
I second ThatBlueMage.
Ban Island . Lol
On a more serious note, I think the format is really strong and diverse. If anything, Thoughtseize causes more chaos to a weak hand than anything. But even then, don't keep weak hands.
February 18, 2014 6:03 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #32
Moved to Standard.
I always get a little apprehensive of Standard ban list discussions. Ban lists remove format-breaking (or diversity-stifling cards). They are not lists of cards that are unfun to play against. They are lists of cards that actually interfere with the meta or the function of the format.
Nothing about either Stormbreath Dragon or AEtherling is banworthy.
February 18, 2014 6:20 p.m.
Wasn't Memory Jar banned before it was even released?
February 18, 2014 6:24 p.m.
megawurmple says... #34
I'm just gonna second pretty much everyone else and say that nothing is ban worthy at the moment, let alone Stormbreath Dragon and AEtherling . Stormbreath Dragon doesn't even see that much play in a Standard dominated by MBD, MUD and Esper/Azorius Control.
February 18, 2014 6:45 p.m.
I wasn't suggesting that AEtherling actually needed to be banned. I was just making the comparison that Stormbreath Dragon is not the "worst" card out there in current standard. There is nothing that jumps to mind as overly OP or so broken that it warrants banning in standard currently. I think WotC has learned from past "oppsies" that they take closer inspection before releasing cards.
February 18, 2014 7:04 p.m.
@Rhadamanthus: Oh, that's right. I always forget about those because I didn't play as much during their time in Standard. I was kinda bummed Stoneforge got banned actually, I liked her design on paper, but she was just too awesome in practice
February 19, 2014 1:38 a.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #37
Standard seems to be the format that WotC "controls" the most since it is the most popular, and thus it is hard to envision there being a need for a ban unless they seriously overlook something. There would essentially need to be a card that was so good that it made otherwise powerful decks unplayable and forced the format into only a couple viable builds.
If I HAD to pick one card to be banned, it would probably be Thoughtseize since it wrecks synergy-based decks, and as a Johnny who likes to utilize the element of surprise, nothing is worse than letting the opponent see my hand on turn 1.
February 19, 2014 8:23 p.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin feel the same way about revealing my hand...
Rayenous says... #2
...None...?
February 18, 2014 4:19 p.m.