Sweet Creatures for Illusionist's Bracers
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Posted on Feb. 26, 2013, 10:22 p.m. by vila_a23
I was thinking of toying around with a deck focused around interactions with card:Illusionist's Bracers just for shits and giggles. However, when I try to think of creatures that could interact well with the equipment, my mind draws a blank. The only creature I can think of being Pack Rat . I want this to be a midrange or aggro deck if possible so things like Griselbrand are not options. Do any of you know any good creatures? The deck would be casual but I would like to compete with it at a fairly competitive fnm environment if possible. Thanks ahead of time!
Thedren_The_Inquisitor says... #3
any creature that has a repeatable activated and/or triggerd ability is good.... ANY
February 26, 2013 10:59 p.m.
Mana abilities and triggered abilities aren't affected by card:Illusionist's Bracers, therefore Arbor Elf and Huntmaster of the Fells Flip wouldn't work.
You could use it with Galvanic Alchemist , though I doubt you'd be able to tap Arbor Elf in response to it being untapped the 2nd time.
February 26, 2013 11:15 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #5
Krenko, Mob Boss could be good. My question, do you get X, and then 2X from this since the gobbos are counted on resolution?
Arms Dealer stays on the goblin train too.
February 26, 2013 11:17 p.m.
Arbor elf's ability isn't a mana ability... it doesn't create mana (like birds of paradise does), it untaps a land so it certainly will work, and of course you can tap in response... it's just playing around with the stack.
February 26, 2013 11:19 p.m.
You would, the copied ability would resolve first, causing Krenko, Mob Boss to make X goblin tokens. The original ability would then resolve, making 2X tokens. I like the Arms Dealer idea too. 8 total damage for 1R and sacrificing a goblin is dirty.
February 26, 2013 11:22 p.m.
My bad on Arbor Elf , got confused for a second. Huntmaster still wouldn't work, being a triggered ability upon entering the battlefield and transforming.
February 26, 2013 11:23 p.m.
You may have been thinking of card:Avacyn's Pilgrim? But yeah, card:Illusionist's Bracers will only trigger on an activated ability which hunmaster's is not.
February 26, 2013 11:30 p.m.
Lotleth Troll with a Corpsejack Menace on the field. 4 +1/+1 counters for only 1 creature card.
February 27, 2013 6:36 a.m.
Griselbrand draw 14 cards, seems good also Dark Impostor is really strong if doubled
February 27, 2013 6:36 a.m.
Illusionist's Bracers works on Deathrite Shaman's abilities (including the one that produces mana).
Because the abilities each have "Exile target
But the fact that the exiling is a part of the effect, and not the cost makes the first ability a 'non-mana ability'.
February 27, 2013 8:01 a.m.
Are you sure, Rayenous? I thought that once an ability is activated it follows the effects as well as possible. In the case of Deathrite Shaman, it would have two copies of the ability resolving, and if there's only 1 land card, it would be exiled and you would get 2 mana of any color.
416.3. If an effect attempts to do something impossible, it does only as much as possible.
February 27, 2013 8:11 a.m.
Nigrescence says... #21
http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=290529
10/1/2012 If the target of any of Deathrite Shamans three abilities is an illegal target when that ability tries to resolve, it will be countered and none of its effects will happen. You wont add mana to your mana pool, no opponent will lose life, or you wont gain life, as appropriate.
February 27, 2013 9:13 a.m.
Nigrescence is correct. Any spell or ability that has one or more targets will 'fizzle' if all of the targets are illegal, or do not exist when the spell or ability resolves.
If Deathrite Shaman's abilities had additional targets (i.e. "target opponent loses 2 life', or 'target player gains 2 life'... etc.), then it would continue to resolve when/if the card in the graveyard is no longer a valid target.
The abilities would also continue to resolve if the ability did not use any 'targets'. (i.e. "Remove up to 1 -type- card from any graveyard...")
February 27, 2013 9:47 a.m.
Frilled Oculus, Darkthicket Wolf and Wolfbitten Captive Flip (as well as it's flip side), have the stipulation of "Activate this ability only once each turn." - With Illusionist's Bracers, you can get double the effect while only activating once.
In the same respect, Yew Spirit will essentially quadruple it's power/toughness with each activation... and Elder of Laurels gives +2X/+2X, where X is the number of creatures you control... (or 2 creatures each +X/+X)
Using some of these creatures in a U/G Bracers/Ramp deck could be interesting.
February 27, 2013 10:04 a.m.
Has anyone considered Havengul Lich ? Sure, his personal ability doesn't get that much stronger doubled, but each ability he skims can be pretty amazing.
I see, havengul /w bracers on the board. Activate, targeting Arbor Elf and Niblis of the Breath or Galvanic Alchemist in yard.
Cast Arbor Elf cast Niblis of the Breath or Galvanic Alchemist bound to lich
activate niblis ability targeting lich with both triggers and untapping lands inbetween for infinite mana loop.
Or untap lands, then use them to use the soulbound ability and go infinite that way.
Then, with mana open, use lich's ability again targeting Civilized Scholar Flip , and cast it.
Next, mill out your deck, discarding amazing lich targets. Bring them all back. Maybe a Hellraiser Goblin in the mix.
It isn't as fast as other combos, but I like how it can be played after your Arbor Elf and Galvanic Alchemist get Supreme Verdict -ed, and you need to pull the combo back into play.
Oh and side note... if you don't have niblis or alchemist in grave, just using Civilized Scholar Flip and Arbor Elf is pretty close to infinite mana also. And will probably lead into the rest of your combo pieces.
April 3, 2013 5:20 p.m.
Do these bracers double the number of cards put away by Undead Alchemist ? And do they double the number of creatures put out by his second ability as well ? Been working on a Zombie Mill deck for standard and this would be a nice bonus.
July 9, 2013 11:36 a.m.
Also, what is the verdict on this with Soul Ransom ? Would this force a 4 card draw instead ?
July 9, 2013 11:49 a.m.
Undead Alchemist 's first ability is a replacement effect (usually denoted by "If... instead..."), and is not effected by Illusionist's Bracers .
The second ability is a Triggered ability (denoted by "When", "Whenever", or "At".), and is also not effected by the Bracers.
The second ability, however could be duplicated by a "Strionic Resonator" ("2T: Copy target triggered ability") when it is released in M14.
July 9, 2013 11:53 a.m.
Soul Ransom is not an ability of the creature, it is an ability of the Enchantment. As such, it would not be duplicated by Illusionist's Bracers .
July 9, 2013 11:55 a.m.
Braces dont work on Elvish Archdruid its a mana ability :'( I learnt the hard way (at DGM Game Day)
slashx24 says... #2
You could use it with Arbor Elf and soulbond that to a Galvanic Alchemist in a simic build to go off with infinite mana turn 4.
February 26, 2013 10:33 p.m.