U/B Win Conditions
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Posted on Feb. 28, 2015, 6:43 p.m. by Pemdas77
I'm considering my options for win conditions in my U/B control deck. Im already running 2x Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver and 1x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon. What I'm uncertain about is how many and in what board should I have Pearl Lake Ancient, Tasigur, the Golden Fang, or Silumgar, the Drifting Death.
Honestly all these depend on your meta prog sphinx and the ancient are good against control the dragon is good against agro decks if you can get it out tassiger is just good really up to the builder based on decisions because of their meta
February 28, 2015 6:47 p.m.
I main 3x Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver, 1x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon, 1x Pearl Lake Ancient and side 2x Tasigur, the Golden Fang with 1x Silumgar, the Drifting Death in my list.
February 28, 2015 6:48 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #5
I think Slayne is on the right track, although I'd up the Ugin count to 2 and lower the Ashiok count by 1 and side 1.
February 28, 2015 9:25 p.m.
OK thanks, I'll consider it. What about the lands, 27 or 28? Also, should I bother running any Nullify's main board or take them out and run 4x Disdainful Stroke?
February 28, 2015 10:12 p.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #8
Part of the advantage of playing control is that your opponent's removal becomes dead cards. You want to take advantage of that with your win con by using something that effectively dodges removal. Pearl Lake Ancient is great in the mainboard for exactly that reason, though it requires diaciplined play since you're almost certain to have to bounce it back to your hand before all is said and done.
March 1, 2015 12:43 a.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #9
Also yes to 2x Nullify. Having an answer to 3-drops like Goblin Rabblemaster on the draw is a real thing
March 1, 2015 12:45 a.m.
I don't like Nullify in UB. We have enough kill spells that we don't need it. I prefer Negate and/or Disdainful Stroke.
As for win conditions. I run 2x Ashiok, 2x Ugin, 1x PLA in the mainboard; 1x Silumgar, 2x Tasigur, 1x Ashiok in the side. It's nice to have a variety of different hard to deal with threats. You just board in the ones most useful in the particular matchup.
March 1, 2015 11:36 a.m.
Oh, and I don't like going 4x Disdainful Stroke mainboard. It's a very good card, but there are matchups where it's dead. Having a bunch of Disdainful Strokes clog your hand against something like UW heroic is a death sentence.
Here's my list, for reference:
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I'd say it depends on your meta...
Silumgar, the Drifting Death : Very good against token and extremely aggro decks.
Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver : Very good against midrange decks, or pretty much any decks that run green. S/he's still decent against aggro decks that ''curve out'', though you'll hit less often. S/he's also excellent against Sultai Whip and G/B constellation (mills them out). S/he's not that good against control for obvious reasons.
Pearl Lake Ancient is good against control and grindier matchups.
Prognostic Sphinx is pretty situational, jack of all trades. Against aggro he's not optimal until you have good control of the board.
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon Is crazy good against all matchups except control which you'll have to fight a counter war with for him to stay alive.
So the answer is adapt to your meta! Usualy, that means having all of the win cons in the maindeck and adjusting with your sideboard. Something like 1x Ashiok, 1x Silumgar, 1x PLA 1x Ugin, you can adjust the numbers depending on what you think you'll face the most!
March 1, 2015 12:27 p.m.
Tasigur, the Golden Fang is more of a sideboard card that keeps your opponent thinking about siding out his removal. Game 1 he would just get destroyed, game 2 he can last a couple turns for you to use his ability!
sirbar says... #2
I would go 0 tasigur main deck, he is better sideboard, and a 1/1 split with silumgar and pearl lake ancient. At least that is how I run it. It leaves me more options.
February 28, 2015 6:47 p.m.