Will Selesnya go away ?
Standard forum
Posted on June 30, 2013, 11:18 p.m. by XPostalServiceX
With the upcoming mtg2014 coming out soon, will we be waving goodbye to decks such as green/white selesnya? Or do you think they are here to stay, with all the Thragtusk and Voice of Resurgence. And if you do not think they will, how do you guys believe i could combat these decks in standard Fnms, because recently i have just been playing draft so i would not have to deal with these decks.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #3
Thragtusk may or not be dead come rotation. Voice of Resurgence is here to stay, though.
I would never count out G/W as a deck scheme. The colors combine a lot of efficient spells, and will never really be "weak" per se. I would be worried about decks that build board presence around Scavenging Ooze and [Archangel of Thune] in the coming months. They may not be tournament-quality, but FNM brewers will win games off of their steamroll potential.
June 30, 2013 11:30 p.m.
XPostalServiceX says... #4
To Epochalyptik : Im thinking and hoping that with all of the new cards new decks will be available to add to the meta and make it so selesnya doesn't dominate it as much (atleast at both of my fnms). And To landgrafb : Its mostly the G/W deck combos including voice and tragtusk, decks such as this http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/return-to-selesnya/
June 30, 2013 11:35 p.m.
G/W isn't overpowered, and there are ways to combat it. It does lose stuff post-rotation, but it will still be strong due to Voice of Resurgence
.
I just don't think that's it's an overpowered deck. The deck you've referenced is a solid midranged deck, and you can easily out-aggro it or control it if you know it's weaknesses.
I've played that deck at my local LGS (I know its pilot), and both times I've lost. I agree it's very strong, but it does have its weaknesses.
June 30, 2013 11:48 p.m.
Hey, that's my deck! Return to Selesnya is a combo deck? Selesnya is dominating FNMs? I mean, I got third and second places in the last two Fridays, so maybe you have a point
June 30, 2013 11:48 p.m.
XPostalServiceX says... #7
Goody : You have an awesome deck, one worth referencing! And im looking into putting it together myself, that or something that will hold up against it, because most people that top the fnms i attend use decks like that. I built a red/white aggro deck and first and third round last week i was paired against decks such as Goody's and even the aggro deck i built couldn't keep up. If you guys think this deck will still be good even with the release of mtg 2014 then i will put it together and try it out myself.
July 1, 2013 12:01 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #8
Well Epochalyptik Ratchet Bomb is getting a reprint so tokens will have a 2 mana "boardwipe" to contend with.
July 1, 2013 12:06 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #9
Tokens as an archetype is pretty subdued right now, and will be even more-so once rotation happens. Ratchet Bomb is a powerful card, but won't have Lingering Souls to eat for breakfast.
It can handle Voice of Resurgence tokens, but if you can't handle that one token, there are probably bigger issues at hand.
July 1, 2013 12:08 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #10
Advent of the Wurm and Trostani, Selesnya's Voice are things that stay in that will be great for Ratchet Bomb to hit. I've been doing the theroycrafting on that already for my Bant Live Long and Populate and I'm trying to get ways of getting around it.
July 1, 2013 12:10 a.m.
XPostalServiceX says... #11
what about a Green/Red deck? with cards such as Zhur-Taa Druid and the other g/r card that gives +4/+4. My other idea was to base a deck around
Blood Baron of Vizkopa and Master of Cruelties
July 1, 2013 12:17 a.m.
Well, the Selesnya deck you referenced isn't a tokens deck. It just uses quality midrange creatures to get the job done.
Tokens suffers heavily from rotation. Lingering Souls and Intangible Virtue both cycle out, and it's left to Theros to see what fills the void. Ratchet Bomb is a nice token wrath but tokens already SB's rootborn defences to protect against it.
G/W itself as a deck probably won't go away. It will still have Loxodon Smiter
and Voice of Resurgence
, and it also gets Scavenging Ooze
from m14.
July 1, 2013 12:17 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #13
You can't really say that G/W will go away, simply because that's not a deck; it's a combination of colors. There will always be playable decks in every combination of colors.
Tokens, however, isn't a stable archetype. It exists now because of efficient cards (mainly Lingering Souls ). Without any one of those quality token-producers, the whole decktype fizzles in Standard.
July 1, 2013 12:22 a.m.
XPostalServiceX says... #14
So with the current standard meta, and with the release of mtg 2014 coming up, what sort of deck would you all recommend i put together for standard? I have a couple ideas but mostly i would like something that i can go 5-0 with.
July 1, 2013 12:26 a.m.
Honestly, with the landbase of the current standard, you can build almost anything that you can think of. But if all you care about is winning, you might as well just netdeck a very strong deck.
A jund deck took top at last weekend's GP Miami, so that's something to start with.
July 1, 2013 12:38 a.m.
XPostalServiceX says... #16
yeah i have tried building fun decks and interesting decks but i think it is best to save them for when i face my friends, not fnms, because they usually don't stand a chance against meta decks. could you link the gp miami deck ?
July 1, 2013 12:50 a.m.
Thanks XPostalServiceX, I built the deck from scratch and it's been a work in progress since RTR came out, so that's a huge compliment for me. I mean, I wanted to make GW because I pulled a Trostani, Selesnya's Voice in one of my first RTR packs, and the original version was using Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage and such, so it has come a long way. I never see anyone else using a GW midrange at my FNMs though, so it's weird to hear about it being rampant at your store.
Best of luck fighting it, it's a tough nut to crack :p
July 1, 2013 1:04 a.m.
XPostalServiceX says... #19
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/paste/This deck Krayhaft ? And of course Goody! keep on building decks like that, i would love to see what you make next.
July 1, 2013 1:09 a.m.
XPostalServiceX says... #20
Edit : http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/deck-01-07-13-1/
July 1, 2013 1:11 a.m.
Most slivers are g/w and g has some badass cards making it strong without things like swagtusk and resto. W isn't going to be weak either. I think g/w will be strong in M14 WITHOUT RTR but just that much better with it. Naya isn't going anywhere either. Sadly.
July 1, 2013 2:59 a.m.
What will go away about g/w is the RestoThragtusk combo, but g/w and as a color combo will be around. And I plan on playing it still.
Epochalyptik says... #2
Moved to Standard forum.
Is there something in M14 that you think would cause GW to leave the meta?
June 30, 2013 11:28 p.m.