Will this card see any play?
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Posted on July 10, 2015, 7:48 p.m. by Wabbbit
Curious if Magmatic Insight will see any competitive play. Thoughts? Speculations?
Rasta_Viking29 says... #3
Maybe, I plan to try it. Tormenting Voice is generally more useful.
July 10, 2015 7:56 p.m.
CharlesMandore says... #4
There was already a thread started about this, eleven hours ago I believe.
Edit: Correction, that was for modern storm. This is for standard, my apologies.
July 10, 2015 7:59 p.m. Edited.
wakawakawaka says... #5
tormenting voice is more flexible but I feel like magmatic insight is pretty good in the sb of rdw when up against grindy decks.
time will tell whether it'll see play. Magmatic Insight really isnt too bad
July 10, 2015 8:01 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #6
I'm playing it as Faithless Looting 5 and 6 in red loam decks.
July 10, 2015 8:14 p.m.
JaceArveduin says... #10
The baddie in me says that they could play a few copies in mono-red so that they don't have to worry about flooding while making their land-base slightly more stable.
In reality? I don't really know :D
July 10, 2015 11:36 p.m.
Everyone seems to think the obvious answer for it is in RDW in standard but I don't know. I understand the logic behind it being able to help when when your flooding out in RDW, but the deck already runs a really low number of lands making it harder to flood out. Flooding will happen but obviously not regularly, because you built the deck wrong if you flood every game. I just feel like that's going to make the card too conditional. It will never be good as a top deck always requiring a land card to go with it. Multiples aren't great either because of the land requirement (needing a specific type to discard is a big draw back so doing it twice is doublely worse). There will also be games where you have one in your opening hand but never draw more than 3 lands you need in play to cast things like Goblin Rabblemaster so it sits dead in your hand all game. I just feel like in that type of deck it's not as good as everyone seems to immediately think because the deck naturally runs fewer lands making the clause harder to meet.
With that being said, I don't know if this will happen but I think it's more likely that some type of big 
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ramp deck, or possibly even a control deck ends up using this card. The ramp decks typically are lacking solid card draw and they run more lands than RDW along with ramp so I feel like the condition of pitching a land is less of a drawback for them because they're more likely to draw a land to discard and still be able to cast their spells because of their ramp. If they can find room with their ramp and their big fatties some cheap card draw would be really welcome in that type of deck.
The same goes for control. They're typically running more lands than any other deck, and I feel like the more lands a deck runs the less of a drawback that clause becomes. Plus, if you combine this with something like Treasure Cruise late game, then you could pay 
and delve 7 to draw 3. Then pay for Magmatic Insight and pitch that land you don't need to draw 2 more cards. For 2 mana you can dig through the top 5 cards of your library to find pretty much anything you'd need. This opens up the possibility of maybe Jeskai or Grixis control in standard.
July 11, 2015 1:51 a.m.
abenz419 I think a Standard Grixis tempo deck could be interesting with Magmatic Insight and maybe Screeching Skaab for early delve fodder (plus fetches) for Tasigur, the Golden Fang and Treasure Cruise.
July 11, 2015 3:06 a.m.
I guess the thought process behind playing it in RDW is the fact that you don't have many lands, so you can discard your extra ones to delve through your deck for your more valuable creatures. That said, I completely agree with abenz419. Less lands means you exactly what you said, you might not want to discard any of the three lands that you draw, because the deck still needs at least three to run correctly. Maybe more of a SB card for RDW? I think it will come down to playtesting probably.
July 11, 2015 10:16 a.m.
It does seem like it would fit well in jeskai or grixis control. It gives you extra value for your delve spells because it puts two cards in the graveyard.
July 11, 2015 10:18 a.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #15
I am playing 26 lands with Magmatic Insight. You do want a higher land count because it only helps when flooding. I have a hard time seeing it in RDW. The new 2 drop that draws a card and Ire Shaman fit that game plan and provide an extra card instead of cycling.
July 11, 2015 11:04 a.m.
The problem with the new 2 drop and Ire Shaman is you need the mana available for both them and the spell you flip up. Ire Shaman isn't as bad since it only flips for 1, but in a deck where anything over 3 lands is like flooding they both limit what your able to cast of the top of your library. Plus Ire Shaman requires a 2 turn investment because it only triggers off of it flipping up.
DrFunk27 says... #2
Only Storm or Jeskai Ascendancy.
July 10, 2015 7:52 p.m.