Adding Color Identity to Inventory?
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Posted on Jan. 28, 2015, 10:22 a.m. by Salad_Thunder
With the popularity of EDH and its variants, and the increasing number of cards with a different color than their color identity, how hard would it be to add color identity to the cards?
To do it for the existing cards, would it "just" be adding a variable in the data base, extracting the colors from the manna symbols to start, and then manually modifying the (still relatively small number of) ones that are different?
Salad_Thunder says... #4
I sheepishly withdraw the request (since it's already there!)
January 28, 2015 12:05 p.m.
i don't know if its public.... but i do stamp cards with their colors. i don't really know what you are requesting beyond that though.
January 28, 2015 12:40 p.m.
Salad_Thunder says... #6
I would like to be able to filter cards by their color identity (and not just color) in the inventory. After your first reply, I went back and checked Daghatar the Adamant. He shows as Black, Green, and White on his card page and shows up in my inventory by any of the three colors. And so, I thought you had it was already built in. Just went back to check again and make sure I've got everything down right though.
It doesn't look like it's done for every card. The next three I checked the card pages for were: Warden of the First Trees (only lists green and doesn't show up for a black or white filter in tmy inventory), Fires of the Undeath (only lists red), and Daughter of Autumn (only lists white).
Is that a mistake in the color label for Daghatar (it should only be green) and so there is a hidden color-identity variable in the database? If so, my request is that we be able to filter by color identity in the inventory.
Or, is it a mistake for the other three in that they are missing part of their color identity in the color label? If so, should we start Fixing those cards? Should "Color(s)" be changed to "Color Identity" on the card pages?
January 28, 2015 1:21 p.m.
Salad_Thunder says... #7
A few more:
Avacyn's Pilgrim shows up as green and white on its card page, but doesn't show up when filtering by it. Similarly for Elves of Deep shadow (black and green on card page, only shows up for green in the filter).
Firehoof Cavalry only shows up as white (and not the red) on the card page and inventory.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest shows up as red, blue, and white on its page and is found by all three colors in the inventory filter.
January 28, 2015 1:38 p.m.
Salad_Thunder says... #8
Some more...
Cards missing a color of their "Color Identity" on their page and in the filter: Blind Obedience, Crypt Ghast, Memnarch, Transguild Courier
Cards showing their "Color Identity" and not their "Color" on their page, but not in the filter: Obelisk of Naya
January 29, 2015 2:36 p.m.
Salad_Thunder says... #11
Fair enough :-)
Ok, here are the ones I'd dug up to show that the use of Color vs. Color ID is off in a number of places. I've added the ones I don't own to my inventory to make it easier to try out the search: http://tappedout.net/users/Salad_Thunder/inventory/.
These show on both card page and inventory searches by Color ID:
Daghatar the Adamant
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest
These shows on both card page and inventory searches by Color:
Warden of the First Tree
Fires of Undeath
Daughter of Autumn
Firehoof Cavalry
Blind Obedience
Crypt Ghast
Memnarch
Transguild Courier
These show on card page by Color ID and inventory searches by Color:
Avacyn's Pilgrim
Elves of Deep Shadow
Obelisk of Naya
It seems like the card pages determine "Color" using Mana Cost + Mana Produced + Additional Colors. The inventory filter seems to determine "Color" using Mana Cost + Additional Colors (but not Mana Produced).
So one needed fix is to add "Additional Colors" to a number of cards. (Happy to help go through those).
When doing this, should additional "Mana Produced" colors also be marked under the "Additional Colors"? Or is this a behind the scenes fix where "Mana Produced" just need to be added to the "Color" for purposes of the inventory filter?
My request is to either have separate boxes on the card pages and the filter for searching by Color and by Color ID. Or, if having two searches is inelegant, to go with Color ID and to make that clear in the label and to be sure it includes the mana produced in addition to the additional colors.
February 16, 2015 9:10 p.m.
Additional colors is for rare situations, such as when a card says "This card is blue".
It seems to me like the cards are wrong and the 'additional colors' should be removed. Just because a color is in the ability casting cost doesn't mean that the card is that color, yeah?
February 16, 2015 9:16 p.m.
yeaGO: I believe what Salad_Thunder is referring to is the fact that since those cards have other colored mana symbols in their ability costs (or can tap for other colors), they are considered to also be those colors as part of their color ID for EDH/Tiny Leaders purposes and would like a way to filter searches in a way that they do or do not show up in results based on that info.
February 16, 2015 9:25 p.m.
well i can accommodate that for sure, its just all about the details. =)
we could start including ability cost in the additional colors field, however, the charts will screw up on decks (i think so, anyway). verify? if the charts are fine, then the question becomes is it a big deal to have them start being included throughout the site in general.
should these cards show up as each color in the chart of commander formats?
February 16, 2015 9:29 p.m.
I think they should at least show up in the charts for commander formats. It's about the only place it really matters, honestly. It might make it easier to explain to users new to the formats as to why they can't include Tasigur, the Golden Fang in a mono-black deck. If a color shows up in the chart that isn't aligned with their commander's colors, the card(s) causing it to show up aren't legal for the deck.
February 16, 2015 9:36 p.m.
gotcha.
well i think we need a new field that pulls out the activated cost colors and considers them for commander stuff.
February 16, 2015 9:41 p.m.
Would that also include being able to consider colors that can be produced with mana abilities as well (ie Noble Hierarch,which is considered W/U/G for commander purposes due to this)? Or is that already available? I haven't really used the search function so I'm not sure what features are currently available.
February 16, 2015 9:46 p.m.
yeah, that could happen.
search is another story i think. seems like the options are:
-let current search include ability cost and mana produced everywhere, hope it doesn't annoy people
-create new filter fields for mana produced and ability cost or cmndr "color id"
February 16, 2015 9:55 p.m.
Salad_Thunder says... #19
I'd vote for the activated color field for each card and the color ID filter option... if the programming isn't too hideous.
As far as the charts, I wouldn't change those. Color ID doesn't affect the mana curve.
Salad_Thunder says... #2
Ack. Sorry for the duplicate post!
January 28, 2015 10:24 a.m.