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Posted on Jan. 12, 2014, 3:56 p.m. by Epochalyptik
At the request of Jp3ngu1nb0y, this will be our hub discussion thread. Feel free to comment on existing hubs, request new hubs, or suggest that irrelevant hubs be deleted.
BEFORE YOU POST:
Please note that I will not add pointless hubs. I don't want a hub for every decklist in every format ever. Hubs should allow you to categorize your deck in general terms so it is easier to find and easier to understand at a glance.
For example, "combo" and "control" are fine hubs. They broadly categorize what a deck is about, and they're easy to understand. "Triskelion combo" is a bad hub because it's too narrow. If a hub is so specific that it would only usable by a very small subset of decks, then it won't be added because it won't be practical.
alpinefroggy says... #3
Id say all the 3 color combos of wedges ie:
UWR
BUG
GBW
RUG
RBW
January 12, 2014 4:10 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
I'll be changing UW/x Stoneblade to just Stoneblade. There's no reason to combine colors with archetypes; they have separate hubs, and the combination just limits the new hub.
Oh, and make sure you define any hubs you suggest.
January 12, 2014 4:13 p.m.
Currently those are on there, alpinefroggy, but they're under names like Irindu (U/R/G) etc
January 12, 2014 4:13 p.m.
Would this be a good place to ask what certain hubs mean/get better definitions? Like, what is "Aikido" or "Forcefeed" or "Solar Flare" or "Trap!"? And what's the specific difference between "Control" And "Cruel Control"?
January 12, 2014 4:13 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #8
@erabel: Yes. A project of mine (although admittedly a project that I know will not be started for another two months due to time constraints) is to create a directory of all the hubs and their definitions. One of the problems with the current hub system is that there are too many undefined or hard-to-understand hubs.
I've half a mind to just delete Aikido because I don't even know what it is.
January 12, 2014 4:15 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #9
@erabel: After some research, I found that Aikido apparently describes a deck that uses other players' resources against them. How this name came about is unknown to me, and it's certainly one of unclearer hubs here.
January 12, 2014 4:18 p.m.
Belcher is a combo deck using Goblin Charbelcher with few or no lands to deal fast damage. (Legacy, fringe Modern)
Tin Fins is a reanimator type deck using Griselbrand , Children of Korlis , etc to easily end the game (Legacy only)
Death & Taxes is a White, WG, or WB deck that's sort of like "Creature Control." It uses taxation effects and ETBs/otherwise efficient creatures to generate crippling advantage. (Modern and Legacy)
Nic Fit is uses Veteran Explorer and various sac effects and discard spells for maximum efficiency. Sort of like Pod without the Pod. (Legacy only)
Goodstuff is... good stuff. Generally 4 or 5 colors, just a collection of powerful cards. (Cross-format)
Hatebears is a GW deck using "Bears" (usually 2/2s) with "Hate" effects. Cards like Voice of Resurgence , Gaddock Teeg , Leonin Arbiter , etc. Basically, punishes decks for being competetive-natured. (Modern only)
MUD is an artifact ramp deck using Metalworker to generate tons of mana really fast and drop big colorless things. (Legacy only)
January 12, 2014 4:19 p.m.
Forcefeed is forcing opponents to have things like cards or mana and then winning by manipulating that. For example, Nekusar, the Mindrazer is forcefeeding cards.
January 12, 2014 4:22 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #12
I just went through and deleted/changed about 20 hubs. Specifically, I deleted Standard-only archetypes. I changed color-limited hubs such that they are no longer color-limited.
January 12, 2014 4:25 p.m.
Another question: What are "Rock" and "Maverick"? I keep hearing discussions about both, but I don't know what either deck entails.
January 12, 2014 4:30 p.m.
Rock is BG or BGw control. Uses discard and kill spells to control, then wins via fatty.
Maverick is a White or WG aggro deck, mostly only in Legacy. Sort of like Hatebears without being so hate-oriented. Uses cheap, powerful beaters to win via combat damage. (Goyf, Voice, that kinda stuff)
January 12, 2014 4:33 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #15
Both Rock and Maverick are important Modern/Legacy archetypes, which justifies their inclusion.
January 12, 2014 4:34 p.m.
aikido is a form of martial arts similar to judo where you use the opponent's movement and momentum against them
January 12, 2014 4:36 p.m.
Epoch, why is BWG called Morglen and not Necra? It should be called Necra because that's what wizards calls it.......
January 12, 2014 4:36 p.m.
Morglen, Chavest, and the other made-up names are from a community project on Tappedout, I believe, where the users were creating a set. The plane was split like Alara, and those are the names they made for the shards.
January 12, 2014 4:37 p.m.
Yeh but....... those combinations do have an actual name.
January 12, 2014 4:40 p.m.
Now that project is seemingly long-abandoned, I agree that they could be changed to the names hinted to in cards like Necravolver .
January 12, 2014 4:43 p.m.
Although, I would argue that Necra should be "Junk." I hear Junk more than anything else for that combination.
January 12, 2014 4:44 p.m.
Maybe just call it both. I agree that Junk is more common. I think the hubs should be very accessible to all players - hence using correct names and common names.
January 12, 2014 4:49 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #24
I can see why they originally used the community names - a few years ago, most people knew what they meant. And it was something the community created, so it felt appropriate to use them within the community.
Unfortunately, I feel just as few remember the official names for those wedges. I'm tempted to just leave them RUG, BUG, etc. Junk can be included as the name for WGB. RUG and BUG are acronyms, but WBR is just an initialization. RWU can have America as its name, since that's the common term.
Thoughts?
January 12, 2014 4:50 p.m.
That should be fine. I commonly hear Nazi as the abbreviation for WBR, but that might be a little inappropriate...
Also, I think having Weenie and White Weenie is unnecessary. Maybe just Weenie?
January 12, 2014 4:53 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #26
I already deleted the White Weenie hub. Or at least I thought I did. I'll double check.
January 12, 2014 4:55 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #28
It went through on the admin site. Give it a little while and the changes should all come up.
January 12, 2014 5 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #29
I would vote for keeping all of the wedge hubs as just the 3 letter initialisms and putting any other names in the parentheses so you would have :
WGB (Junk)
RUG
BUG
WBR
RWU (American)
Instead of having 3 initialisms and 2 monickers.
January 12, 2014 5:59 p.m.
Personally I disagree with RWU as being "America" or anything the like, that's just me. As for the other colour wedge combos BUG/RUG make the most sense, WBG I've only ever heard called Junk, so that makes sense. As for WBR the "Nazi" comment I've never heard that I call it (and have had heard it called multiple times) "Brozhov" lol
January 12, 2014 6:31 p.m.
I just like the three colors without abbreviations as the hub names.
January 12, 2014 7:08 p.m.
Creatureless is a hub that isn't included- I feel like it hits the criteria of categorizing certain types of decks together without relying on color.
January 12, 2014 7:28 p.m.
Unforgivn_II says... #36
I hear a lot of people calling RWB "Dega". Can't remember why though.
January 12, 2014 8:44 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #37
@Unforgivn_II: Dega is the "official" name for that wedge. See Degavolver .
January 12, 2014 8:57 p.m.
Unforgivn_II says... #38
Aha. Well, good enough for me. Anything is easier than actually saying the colors every time.
January 12, 2014 9:06 p.m.
InconspicuousPotato says... #39
@Jp3ngu1nb0y there is not a Delver hub and that is why I brought it up.
January 12, 2014 9:12 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #40
@CalciferDK: I added Stax. I'm not sold on the other two.
@Gidgetimer: Implemented.
@DukeNicky: America is the common term for RWU. Since it's the common term, I think it's the one the database should include.
@Dekord: Added.
@Matsi883: I used Gidgetimer's idea, which prioritizes the colors rather than the names associated with them. I feel the names should still be included.
@InconspicuousPotato & Jp3ngu1nb0y: There was a Delver hub. I deleted it and reinstated it to clear Standard decks off of it (the hub will be used primarily for Modern and Legacy, so it doesn't really make sense to keep old and now-obsolete decks on that hub).
January 12, 2014 9:13 p.m.
Blizzicane says... #43
Heartless Summoning a thing? I never actually seen that deck archetype outside of the old standard it seems like a unnecessary hub.
January 12, 2014 9:19 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #44
@Jp3ngu1nb0y: Which is why I reinstated it after I cleared the Standard decks out of it. Double check my last post.
@The Doctor: Weenie is not being removed. White Weenie, which existed in addition to Weenie, has been removed because it is unnecessary.
@snowstorm: I don't think so. If nobody argues for it, I'll delete it.
January 12, 2014 9:23 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #46
As a general rule, I don't like to have hubs for Standard decks because that requires a lot more maintenance. It's a pain adding and deleting hubs as the format changes, which is basically every few months. Modern, Legacy, and EDH are much more stable, so I have fewer problems with archetypes in those formats.
January 12, 2014 9:26 p.m.
It might be worth adding Devotion, though. It's been making waves in Modern recently, particularly Black.
January 12, 2014 9:29 p.m.
is there a homebrew hub? one fore something that strives to be competitive without being one of the major archetypes?
January 12, 2014 10:18 p.m.
So if R/W/U will be called "America" then what is the "Team America" hub for? Possible redundant double hub?
January 12, 2014 10:24 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #50
@DukeNicky: Team America refers to a BUG deck that the American team used in one of the championships. I don't know the details, but America and Team America are not the same.
Jay says... #2
Here are some names of deck types in Modern/Legacy that we don't have:
Belcher
Tin FIns
Death and Taxes
Nic Fit
Goodstuff
Hatebears
MUD
Those are a few I can think of off the top of my head, when I think of more I'll post 'em.
They seem specific, but really no more than the hubs like Living End Cascade and UWx Stoneblade.
January 12, 2014 4:06 p.m.