Land Mana Pie Chart
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Posted on June 3, 2022, 12:30 p.m. by Seansy
The Land Mana (Inner) pie chart only includes colored mana from lands. It currently does not include MDFCs, fetchlands, and other mana sources such as mana dorks/rocks.
Should a separate ring be created on the chart to include these missing mana sources?
Femme_Fatale says... #3
MDFC lands I can fix easily. Fetches cannot as they tutor for all five colours of mana but not quite, they are complex things that don't work in a binary system like the pie chart.
My problem with any sort of nonland mana generation pie is, how would one actually present this information? A lot of nonland mana generation is variable. It could produce 1 mana. But it could also produce 20 mana through no other card interactions. How do you mark that down on a 2d pie chart interface? (You could do it in 3d but we don't have that and that would be a lot of work just for this.)
"Mana produced" is a text field when adding or fixing a card, where I or any other upgraded user enters WUBRGC to determine the colours and amount of mana generated by a card with commas separating each choice of mana I could generate in that scenario. Example, Seething Song would produce RRRRR whereas Battlefield Forge would produce W, R, C. It also has a character limit, 30 characters. This is the extent of how we can present mana generation from a card, so many things are never going to be fully accurate, and would primarily default to the choices of it fixing rather than the potential quantity.
Nonland mana generation is also kind of ... unreliable at best, so any information you could present here can't really be gleaned for deckbuilding purposes like the land chart. Treasures are in no way a reliable source to get coloured mana because they usually only create one and you are typically going to use that to flesh out missed land drops rather than fix. Mana dorks function very similarly, except they can be removed so they are never reliable for replacing a land drop. Most mana that is generated from nonland sources' sole purpose is to ramp, and a lot of these are 3 mana or more, meaning your mana fixing problems are generally going to be solved by then.
If you would want to have such a circle, I think the best bet would be to have some sort of toggle next to the pie chart to switch from land to nonland, or switch from land to land+nonland. Perhaps even two checkboxes, land and nonland, and users can check each box and have the pie chart populate with their choice. So it could do land, nonland, both or neither, and would default to only land checked. The big thing here is that it doesn't change the current pie chart, which may put off a lot of users, but instead can be additional information a user can have if they wish to view it.
June 4, 2022 12:46 a.m.
I think having the check marked boxes for nonland versus land mana generation would work well. The fetchs are hard to code and I can understand those just not being totally doable given how complicated they are. If possible, at least including their two colors instead of nothing would make the pie slightly more accurate even if it doesn't include their full complexity.
Personally I think repeatable mana generation should be the only things included in the mana produced chart. So Seething Song and Dockside Extortionist wouldn't be included but the signet and talisman cycles would. Obviously, these are the easy examples and other more complicated ones would be trickier but I would guess that most cases are pretty straightforward.
June 4, 2022 12:49 p.m.
I meant to say repeatable tapping mana generation but it could also be non tapping mana too like Phyrexian Altar depending on how we want to define repeatable mana generation.
June 4, 2022 12:53 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #6
There is no distinction between the frequency or method of mana of generation, and even trying to do "tap/slow land" isn't easy because many things are conditional and those conditions may be easy or hard to accomplish.
June 4, 2022 11:42 p.m.
On a related note: The new Pathway lands (Needleverge Pathway Flip) only represent the front side of the card.
June 6, 2022 9:37 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #8
itsbuzzi: I fixed them a few days ago. If they aren't being represented in your decks, save a new change for them and see if that fixes it.
June 6, 2022 3:49 p.m.
Ahh good catch I hadn't noticed as I linked the front side to 2x and the back side to 2x to manipulate the pie chart and so I wouldn't have noticed unless I changed it back, which I just did! Thanks!
June 6, 2022 4:06 p.m.
On a related note my Mosswort Bridge is showing up as Mossfire Valley
TypicalTimmy says... #2
Well, a fetch may be impossible. While an Evolving Wilds can tutor for any color and thus could, theoretically, be represented with all five, something such as Flooded Strand can fetch more than an or . You can fetch Indatha Triome and get or , neither of which are listed within the Plains or Island.
And then you run into the issue such as Dockside Extortionist. Does it count as all five colors, as well? What about Phyrexian Altar?
I think it simply complicates things too much. You could also always make custom categories.
June 3, 2022 1:38 p.m.