New Feature Suggestion! Different Ways to Upvote!
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Posted on Nov. 28, 2013, 7:45 a.m. by Femme_Fatale
I have seen many people on here complain about the how a deck full of swamps becomes the most upvoted deck here on T/O. So, I am now proposing a solution to this user created problem.
The solution: To have two different ways to upvote a deck. You can either upvote a deck by it's flavour, or it's competitiveness. For example, a deck with 59 islands and one Storm Crow would be all flavor, whereas a Rakdos Sleigh deck would be mainly competitiveness.
Now obviously, this poses a problem with decks currently made, as those upvotes have been put in without the creator of the deck knowing what the user really upvoted the deck for. So I propose a third category, an "unsure/both" category, in which the creator of the deck has free reign in how to distribute the points to the other two categories OR the creator can just leave the points there. All the current upvotes in every deck will be put into this category so the user can distribute them without worry of losing their upvotes.
Now the score/number of upvotes of the deck wouldn't change, as that would still be "The Total Upvotes Accumulated". However with the categories of upvotes we can now have alternate scores. And perhaps ... we may eventually get different Top Ranks for our decks to compete in. One for flavor, one for total, one for competitiveness (there has to be a shorter word for that) and MAYBE another one for the unsure/both category.
Should putting all 3 or 4 scores on the deck ads and tabs on the front page become too tedious for yeaGO! as he would then have to modify the sizes of them, the creator of the deck should have the option of which score he/she would like to advertise. This also gives additional information for those searching through the tabs as they can now see if the deck is a competitive deck, or if it is a flavor deck, or if it is both.
This solves the user created dilemma of the scoring system between competitive decks and flavour decks. As a bonus, this also gives users additional information as to the nature of the deck while they are searching through the deck tabs and ads.
Post your thoughts on this idea and cross your fingers that yeaGO! will offer us his time and bring these ideas to fruition!
I think that another idea might be to allow people to upvote a member - and then the member's upvotes can be their starting base of upvotes for all their decks. What that would translate to would be that some members would automatically start with let's say +20 on any deck they make.
Nevermind. I wouldn't worry too much about the upvotes. To convince yourself of how much this matters less than you think, go search for any kind of deck and see that in most cases, page 1 has a handful of decks with upvotes more than 0-2 and then all the rest of the many, many, many decks that come up are all 0. If upvoting were more frequently done and the mode score for almost any deck search wasn't 0, then upvotes might matter or have more meaning than something about popularity. As it is, not really.
The exception to this may be if you simply search for decks by score only and nothing else.
I discovered this and noticed it from the very first week that I was on tappedout.net when I was first using it to see who else had made decks with my commander already. After observing this trend early on in my time as a tappedout member, I made an early decision that I wouldn't care about it.
November 28, 2013 8:09 a.m.
I see why this is being said and it does have good intentions but I really think it would over complicate matters. It does somewhat annoy me that you can spend weeks putting together a well constructed deck and yet the top deck on this entire site is 60x Plains (it was when I last checked, may be mistaken). But then you can also argue that it's really annoying when a user copy and pastes one of the top 8 mono blue devotion decks and claims that they constructed it - and also gets tons of upvotes.
I don't think an upvote on a deck is necessarily a reflection on the producer of the deck. If it was then the guy who made the 60x Plains deck should be considered to be a deck expert - they're probably not. You have to take deck rating as an indication that people in some way enjoy your current build but NOT as an indication that people think you're a great builder.
November 28, 2013 8:27 a.m.
gnarlicide says... #6
For real, I get more up votes from the sweet tunes that are featured in my deck descriptions.
November 28, 2013 1:07 p.m.
Swamps
November 30, 2013 10:32 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #8
The thing with swamps, is it's score/views ratio is at 1/27! The best my modern decks ever got was a 1/36 or something like that, and it was only for a few days, this has been going on for MONTHS! No one will EVER be able to get that 1st place score on their deck anymore. At least not until a few years roll by when it finally hits a 1/100 score/views ratio.
November 30, 2013 7:49 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #10
That is what I meant for it to leave the first place ranking it's been keeping a hold of since September, it has to drop down to a 1/100 score/view ratio. Maybe even a 1/50 ratio.
November 30, 2013 8:03 p.m.
Well there are multiple ratings systems. The first is obviously just the cumulative number of +1 votes. The second is the number of upvotes received in a set period of time - and I'm not sure how long it is (days or weeks). All I know is that I have about 3 or 4 decks that have all been the number 1 deck on TappedOut at some point - and they all have different total +1s and +1 / view ratios. You WILL still be able to achieve a number 1 position using the second rating system. So whilst you may not ever have the most +1s of all time, you can still achieve for a weekly or monthly period.
November 30, 2013 8:19 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #12
Well I know how the rating system works, I just hadn't found a single ranked #1 deck since swamps took first in September. Though now when I actually look I find exactly 15, stopping around deck scores of about 60.
Epochalyptik says... #2
I don't really think this is necessary. The number of upvotes is still the same, and it's generally pretty clear from the decklist whether a deck was upvoted for being neat or for being good.
This system also attempts to differentiate competitiveness from flavor, and a potential implication of that difference is that flavorful decks can't be good.
Upvotes are relatively meaningless anyway. They don't actually have a function besides telling you how popular your decklist is.
November 28, 2013 7:53 a.m.