New Forum: Spoilers and Rumors
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Posted on Dec. 25, 2013, 10:21 a.m. by Epochalyptik
In anticipation of the upcoming spoiler season, and because the General forum is ALWAYS flooded with spoiler threads, I've created the Spoilers and Rumors forum.
Economic discussions about upcoming cards can still take place in the Economics forum, and format-specific discussions are welcome to be held in the appropriate format's forum. However, all general speculation and spoiler discussion should be kept in the S&R forum.
julianjmoss says... #4
http://mythicspoiler.com/bng/cards/kiorathecrashingwave.html to start off (and im sorry i cant just link in a picture) here is the new spoiler of kiora atua and let me just say i am very impressed with her! I am already playing mazes end so merry chrismas to me!
December 25, 2013 10:56 a.m.
smash10101 says... #5
Great idea Epochalyptik! Are we going to be starting the BNG set during spoilers, or wait for the full preview to happen?
December 25, 2013 4:48 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #6
@smash10101: BNG is already live. Upgraded users can submit cards as they are spoiled.
December 25, 2013 6:26 p.m.
smash10101 says... #7
Good to know, must have missed the announcement. If only I was one of those upgraded user things.
December 25, 2013 6:27 p.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #9
I heard a rumor from a source at the Starcity Classic Columbus that Wrath of God will be returning as part of an Elspeth white theme but called Wrath of the Gods instead and still 2WW.
December 27, 2013 9:09 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #10
@ColdHeartedSith: Highly unlikely. That's a very inane change to an existing and prolific card.
December 27, 2013 9:13 p.m.
RegisteredDecksOffender says... #11
Cool new forum. MagicMike approved.
December 27, 2013 10:01 p.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #12
Well it's a rumor for now, but they reprinted thoughtseize maybe he got the name wrong and it is going to be Wrath of God but hay they change Searing Spear to Lightning Strike why? Set flavor right? just saying. @Epochalyptik
December 28, 2013 12:58 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #13
Searing Spear is an unimportant card, comparatively speaking. Searing Spear was an M13-only print, and Lightning Strike was a THS-only print. Wrath of God is one of the more iconic cards in the game, and its been printed 15 different times, not counting CE.
Plus, printing a card named Wrath of the Gods would just be confusing because it's so close to Wrath of God . If anything, I see WOTC reprinting Damnation .
December 28, 2013 1:09 a.m.
smash10101 says... #14
they could just straight up reprint Wrath of God , but I would like to see Damnation again too.
December 28, 2013 1:24 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #15
Damnation seems more likely to me because WOTC has a new (and good) habit of reprinting limited-availability Modern cards in Standard sets. RTR had shocks, M14 had Mutavault , Theros had Thoughtseize .
The only problem might be MBD becoming too powerful.
December 28, 2013 1:27 a.m.
smash10101 says... #16
Yeah. Standard wise, unless they have something new to hose MBD, Wrath of God would be better, but Damnation is pretty pricey in the secondary market, and has yet to be reprinted. I don't think they'd do both in one small set, maybe both in one block, but I doubt it.
December 28, 2013 1:43 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #17
White still has Supreme Verdict (well, Azorius, but still), so I don't know if they'd print another white wrath right now.
December 28, 2013 2:21 a.m.
smash10101 says... #18
I feel like Wrath of God is just too flavorful. I guess we did already get Anger of the Gods , so that might fill that quota. I (and a lot of other people) would really like to see a reprint though, especially Damnation , which didn't make MMA. I also really want to see a fateseal mechanic in BNG (or JOU)
December 28, 2013 3:09 a.m.
AureliasBestFriend777 says... #19
Sorry but they can't print Wrath of God or Damnation . WotC got in trouble for biblical allusions a while back and stopped them.
December 28, 2013 1 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #20
@AureliasBestFriend777: Funny, because they literally just printed Wrath of God in C13. And there are plenty of "biblical" allusions all over Magic. Unless I see a credible source for that statement, it doesn't hold any weight.
December 28, 2013 1:26 p.m.
smash10101 says... #21
Yeah, I'd say Wrath of God and Damnation are pretty weak as far as biblical allusions go. There are cards with names like Ashes to Ashes and flavor text bible quotes like on Durkwood Boars .
December 28, 2013 3:48 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #22
I would love to see damnation, it would make standard unplayable for me :) but i love the look of that card.
December 28, 2013 6:25 p.m.
http404error says... #23
They've never gotten in trouble for biblical references. I mean, they're actively pulling stuff like Killing Wave . They did at one point think twice about the inclusion of the pentagram in Demonic Tutor and demon creatures, but realized that fantasy is a thick enough blanket that no one could mistake it for actual blasphemy.
December 29, 2013 2:11 p.m.
Actually the pentagram thing was in Unholy Strength . In alpha it had a pentagram in the background. In fourth edition it was gone. It has been missing since then and they just used different art. My understanding is that and the power level are also why Demonic Tutor did not see print in fourth edition.
December 29, 2013 3:10 p.m.
http404error says... #25
Ah, well it looks like a tiny one on his forehead...
ANYWAYS, hopefully the forums are more of an attraction now.
December 29, 2013 3:17 p.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #26
Has anyone heard a date rumor for a second wave of Commander 2013 sets?
December 30, 2013 2:54 a.m.
BNG previews (other than Kiora) are starting January 13! Get pumped!
I honestly can't see them printing Wrath of God or Damnation again. WotC would rather make a new and more flavorful board wipe. Decision of Heliod, for instance, could work as a name, and maybe be Destroy all Creatures at instant speed for 4WW. They could maybe even make a cycle of decision cards.
Decision of Erebos: B, Instant, each player sacrifices a creature.
Decision of Purphuros: XRR, Instant, X damage to each creature and each player.
Decision of Nylea: 2GG, Instant, each creature you control fights each other creature
Decision of Thassa: 3UU, Instant, All creatures on the top of their owners libraries.
December 30, 2013 6:11 p.m.
smash10101 says... #29
I don't really like "Decision of X" as a card name. Decision sounds too weak. I would say something like "Decree of X" but there is already a decree cycle, so maybe "Command of X" or "Wrath of X". Also, a lot of those are already cards, and the green one doesn't really work. It would just be a damage-based board wipe. Maybe something like "Choose a creature you control. That creature fights target creature you don't control. Repeat this process for each other creature you control." Kind of wordy, and it means that they all happen one at a time, but it works a lot better rules wise. And the blue one is super undercosted. 3UU can bounce all creatures at instant speed, but putting them on top of a library is way better, and should cost 5UUU or more. Red should be each creature without flying, but other than that is ok. Black should maybe cost BB, but otherwise is ok.
December 30, 2013 6:41 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #30
Please keep spoiler and rumor discussion the S&R forum rather than in this thread.
December 30, 2013 7:35 p.m.
@ColdHeartedSith re: "but hay they change Searing Spear to Lightning Strike why? Set flavor right?"
For the most part, yes. Those are called 'functional reprints.' Same as Elvish Mystic instead of Llanowar Elves . In the Standard planes of Ravnica and Theros, who knows anything about Llanowar?
The upside is that for Modern or Legacy formats, you essentially get to have 8 or more copies of the same card in your deck.
Want a very consistent burn deck? Run 2-4 copies of each of the following: Burn the Impure , Burning Oil , Fire Ambush , Flame Jet , Incinerate , Lash Out , Lightning Strike , Searing Spear , Skullcrack , Thunderbolt , Volcanic Hammer , and Ignite Disorder in the sideboard.
December 31, 2013 12:10 a.m.
@MagnusMTG- lol. I totally want to build a deck out of just those and lands.
December 31, 2013 12:15 a.m.
@AureliasBestFriend777 They stopped having demons for a while, but I know at least for Innistraad they started bringing that stuff back.
December 31, 2013 1:05 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #35
@Morgeno: Demons have been a mainstay of Magic for far longer than that. Since Kamigawa, most blocks have had at least one demon. There were some pre-Kamigawa demons, but not as many.
December 31, 2013 1:12 p.m.
Maybe it was devil's then. I don't remember exactly which but I remember reading an article on it. I only started playing right before innistrad so I don't know exactly.
December 31, 2013 1:29 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #37
There are two pre-ISD devils: Stone-Throwing Devils and Squealing Devil . Devils just aren't really relevant in Magic lore outside ISD, which is a themed block.
December 31, 2013 1:38 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #39
I wouldn't make a forum if I intended to delete it. I'm hoping this one will contain all of the spoiler and rumor discussions for all MTG products.
December 31, 2013 7:04 p.m.
Oh ok wicked. I just thought there would be large periods of inactivity and then sudden spikes. Not that it matters of course.
December 31, 2013 7:05 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #41
It doesn't really matter that the forum will likely be obsolete between spoiler seasons. If the past few years have been any indication, there will be a ton of threads soon. Hell, Kiora had five or so going at once. People just don't read the front page before they post, and I'd rather contain all the redundant threads instead of having them flood the General forum. Besides, the forum will see heavy use at least four times a year just from the block and core sets.
December 31, 2013 7:10 p.m.
blackmarker90 says... #42
Even at two weeks every three-ish months will still be quite a bit of traffic
December 31, 2013 7:16 p.m.
second wave of Commande 2013? like the same decks or new ones?
January 1, 2014 2:28 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #44
Apparently, WOTC is reprinting C13. I haven't seen any official confirmation for this, though.
January 1, 2014 5:51 p.m.
WOTC has said that they are printing C13 to demand, however they print and ship all 5 decks together. So there is no way for them to single out a particular deck that is selling better than the others (coughMindSiezecough).
January 2, 2014 10:23 a.m.
Damnation would suit Journey into Nyx better... theme wise being 'Damned' into Hell (Nyx)
January 2, 2014 11:44 a.m.
Nyx isnt hell. Its the place your mind goes when you dream on Theros. It is also home of the gods.
January 2, 2014 12:13 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #49
For anyone still wondering why a separate forum was necessary, we currently have three threads on the front page alone discussing the BNG spoilers from a few hours ago.
ChiefBell says... #2
Wicked - thank you!
December 25, 2013 10:36 a.m.