[Suggestion] Hub Tags
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Posted on Nov. 2, 2011, 8:27 p.m. by Spoofed
Ok, so the Hub Tags are a complete mess and really don't make any sense. I know that the tags where generated from the most popular searches; however those tags are just too specific for any real use.
So here's what I propose: Clear all the tags and rebuild it by hand.
- Aggro, Control, and Combo
- Johnny, Timmy, and Spike
- All color combinations
- All game types (FFA, EDH, 2HG, 1v1, etc)
- All formats (Standard, Extended, Modern, etc)
- All Tribes (Zombies, Faries, Merfolk, Saprolings, etc)
- All competitive decks for each format following MTGSalvation
- All developing competitive decks for each format following MTGSalvation (only if there's really a demand for it)
This should make the Hub Tagging system more relevant and used and make deck searches easier.
I just realized, but a price tag would also be a good idea: cheap (1-39$), budget (40-99$), average price(100-199$), and expensive(200+). Prices ranges are tentative.
November 2, 2011 8:49 p.m.
insertcleverid says... #4
I agree 100%. I think this will take the functionality of this already awesome site to the next level.
November 2, 2011 9:59 p.m.
Well the hubs are different than tags. In the beginning there were tags. It was the first thing I was in charge of. All of these were options then because tags were input by users. The problem became that tags were mispelled, silly, not applicable. The first article I wrote for the site was on how to tag decks correctly. That effort didn't work.
The hubs were more to make popular autotags for deck paradigms. This would allow search engines to find decks easier based on search terms. BTW that was yeaGO!'s idea and it worked amazingly. Adding the tags you are talking about would be more like the old tag system, but would have to have a list to select from. An interesting idea, but totally up to the bossman. The other issue with these tags is updating and accuracy. Some people call things standard that are not, and what happens when they change legality. Also some people call a deck a Zombie deck when they have 2-3 zombie spells. Also people may start with a bant deck, then change it to U/W and never edit their tags. Then you have all these great intention tags that are not even close to applicable.
Discuss
November 3, 2011 8:08 a.m.
insertcleverid says... #6
Well maybe the formats shouldn't be a hub, as those change and I can imagine the Standard Hub filling up with extended and then modern etc., etc., besides, the site marks each deck's format automatically, already.
As for the rest of it, I believe people who don't understand how the system works will learn to use it properly. The experienced members of this site do a great job of providing constructive criticism. Also, most are really good about not feeding the trolls, so people who abuse the hub system to get people to view their deck will probably be ignored, just like the people who link to their decks to every comment section they can find.
Either way, we'll never know if the hub section will work until the categories become more relevant. As of right now they're next to useless.
November 3, 2011 10:45 a.m.
I really don't see the current hubs working at all. Take for instance my deck deck:i-wub-me-some-fatties-1. Its a WUB Solar Flare; however there are no WUB or Solar Flare hubs meaning I had to just tag my deck as a U/B control since that's the closest thing to what my deck is (but still way off).
The reason as to why I suggested adding formats to the tag list is that there currently isn't a hub for each format. In it's most detailed form there would be a list of statistics for how many decks there are of each archetype for each format, how well they placed at competitions and etc. Since Tappedout already autotags formats format tags wouldn't need to be chosen by the user, instead there would just need to be hubs for each format.
You do raise up a good point about people mislabeling their decks; however this could easily be remedied by simply moderating the system. Now looking at every new deck created would be an enormous task and something I would highly not recommend; however we could easily just look at the top 5 decks of each tag and other users will be able to see the tags and notice that something is wrong. There is already a "Flag Problem" system for decks and all this would require is that a group of people would look through all the complaints about mislabeled decks and change them. That would require each person to have some knowledge about deck types and formats; however I don't think we have a shortage of people knowledgeable about MTG.
November 3, 2011 10:16 p.m.
Simply and moderating are not words that go together.
I used to moderate these. Everyday I would clean out the tags, every day twice as many new tags appeared. Quite literally. That is why it stopped.
And when I say hubs work, I mean that hubs work for search engines. And they do a great job with that. i do see your points though.
Well the real word is that if you want this to happen you should contact yeaGO!. I do not make the decisions, he does.
November 4, 2011 8:50 a.m.
Well, the thing is that there are a set amount of tags unlike the old system where people could type what they want. So in this case it would be easier to just moderate the top 5 decks for each format 5*8 = 40. So 40 decks that probably wont change on a day to day basis (Top 5 decks for each format will work similarly to the Top Deck list on the main page). I will admit that this isn't as simple as the word simple implies, but I think that it wouldn't be to much beyond something similar to how the Q&A section is moderated.
November 4, 2011 12:50 p.m.
I've offered a few times to give out privs for people to track these changes--the game changes often and so do the hubs. Nobody's been up to that, so I update them when I have time (which is more and more rarely).
There are some things I think aren't hubs, but just a matter of searching, such as: format, price. Some things like game type are probably a more general feature that might be nice to add to the site.
So...offers? =)
November 5, 2011 11:35 p.m.
Okay ++privs. Feel free to delete stale hubs. Bear in mind what I said above and feel free to ask any questions.
November 6, 2011 9:22 a.m.
I'll probably need help with EDH, since that's the one format I've never really looked into beyond a bit of casual play.
November 6, 2011 11:03 a.m.
I'll also need help with Vintage.
I'll limit the hubs to only color combinations, tribes, basic deck types, and competitive decks.
And as a question: Does renaming reset the hubs as well (as in everyone with that hub added for their deck loses it)?
November 6, 2011 11:12 a.m.
Is there a way to change how Tappedout lists the hubs? Right now it lists them in alphanumeric order. What I would like is to make it so that each of the superhubs (color, deck archetype, etc) stay together.
November 6, 2011 1:20 p.m.
Spoofed -- I don't think it will reset. Have you observed that happening?
We can come up with an organization system if you want. There's none now.
Check out the importer tool I made--one thing I use to find trending deck types is Google searches. Use that to import popular searchs and import those.
November 6, 2011 5:40 p.m.
Just a basic system for organization would be good. 3 sections: Deck Type, Color, Tribe. This'll make it easier to add hubs to decks, and navigate through the hubs.
mozerdozer says... #2
Fun Fact: Every single color combination has a specific name if you include the community set colors.
November 2, 2011 8:33 p.m.