Tagging For Feedback
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Posted on March 29, 2016, 2:47 p.m. by OutspokenFerret
I am a tad tired of this new trend of tagging a ton of people for feedback on a deck. It's not that I don't like giving feedback, its that I don't like being tagged in a bulk post. If someone were to ask me personally, I would generally be fine taking a look and giving my two cents, but being clumped among 30+ people in a mass tag post I feel could start to get out of hand pretty quickly.
OutspokenFerret says... #3
True, I feel like i would be fine with it if it was someone who I have talked to. I have no trouble providing feedback as it is generally enjoyable, I just see a trend starting, and fear that it might get out of hand
March 29, 2016 3:06 p.m.
I think Yeago works for Wizards B&R department. He shut that shit down fast.
March 29, 2016 4:31 p.m.
If you can politely let people know, please do. Or private message me and I will.
March 29, 2016 4:53 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #9
I haven't gotten bulk tagged in a real long time. Probably because I no longer do anything really magic related besides cube and write articles. Didn't know that it had started to become an issue.
March 29, 2016 6:25 p.m. Edited.
I mean, is ignoring it not just a perfectly reasonable response?
March 29, 2016 6:43 p.m.
amazingdan says... #11
Generally people will tag you if you've made a deck previously that is similar to theirs/ they know you are knowledgable on that particular subject/ you are a respected and well known user on the site(@TMBRLZ)/ you've given them significant help in the past/ you are good friends on the site and collaborate frequently. I don't honestly see what's wrong with wanting feedback from somebody you know can contribute. Obviously it can get out of hand in a number of different ways, but there is a block button for a reason. Or, y'know, like Chief said above me, just ignore it. I don't think after a 3 sentence thread and 2 comments it should be "outlawed"(@yeaGO). Bulk tagging is a good way to get feedback on a deck, as long as it's warranted. If you want a user to know you don't think you should be tagged on a deck or post, it takes <1 minute to tell them so and you unsubscribe. If a user abuses the privilege, you can give them a warning or, if they continue with their behavior, report them to a mod and have them do what they see fit.
Keep in mind I'm speaking as the silent majority of "regular" users. To reiterate:
If people know you(or think they do) they will want to hear your feedback. Active users will have more people wanting their opinions because people see them frequently around the site. As I've said above, it's not that hard to let people you don't appreciate it. However, I don't think this practice should be banned.
March 29, 2016 7:26 p.m.
Well maybe we can make it so you can only tag people who follow you. It's pretty intrusive and while sure it only takes a minute, some prolific users on the site translates to a lot of minutes I imagine.
March 29, 2016 7:41 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #13
Just tagging people who follow you could be problematic for new users though, and it could turn into people spamming friend requests. And the point of the decks is to get feedback.
I'm with Chief on this one, why can't people just ignore it and move on?
March 29, 2016 7:50 p.m.
amazingdan says... #14
yeaGO I don't really like that idea. Sure, it limits how much people can tag people, but I would say that's too limiting. Most "regular" users don't even know you CAN follow people. Maybe just make an option in the settings that makes it so only people you allow and people on things you're subscribed to can tag you. This would make it much easier on Popular users, while also not having an adverse effect on "regular" users.
What do your think?
March 29, 2016 7:57 p.m.
I get that everyone wants feedback but it just seems like spam to me. Also, mentions are a higher level notification so people who have the phone app installed will be getting lots of buzzes. Suffice it to say that the mention system was definitely not set up with bulk pinging in mind.
Chief, have you been the recipient of these by chance? If so, how often? In previous years we've discouraged posting to peoples walls for feedback.
March 29, 2016 8:46 p.m.
Pretty sure OutspokenFerret's mad about being mentioned on my standard deck. You can check it out for reference here.
March 29, 2016 9:34 p.m.
Make it so that there is a profile setting for "I can't be tagged".
March 29, 2016 9:38 p.m.
amazingdan says... #18
kengiczar I think my suggestion above is a bit more practical. However, I could totally see that being a "vacation" button so you won't be overloaded with notifications if you take a break for a little while.
March 29, 2016 9:41 p.m.
To be fair, all of the users I tagged on my deck had either cycled or commented on decks in Standard within the Competitive/Control hubs in the last 24 hours. It's not like I pulled out an alphabetic list of TO users to tag. Getting meaningful feedback on TO, especially in a timely manner, is nearly impossible. Even reasonably well-formatted deck help requests end up with maybe a comment or two on top of some 30 views. It doesn't help that Just Chatting - Standard is essentially dead and the main spoiler threads for SOI aren't appropriate places for discussing deck builds.
If you're tagged on a deck, it takes maybe 30 seconds at most to view the notification, assess what caused it to be sent to you, and move on with your life if you're not interested. I don't think that constitutes as a major intrusion to your time.
March 29, 2016 9:43 p.m.
OutspokenFerret says... #20
TheDevicer - I'm not so much mad, as worried it will get out of hand quickly, considering immediately after you did it, within 2 hours, it had happened 2 other times. It is mildly annoying, and I don't blame the people that are doing it. It wasn't against the rules when it happened so where would it be right for me to be angry with you. I just think it's mildly annoying and felt that it should at least be discussed in the forums. :D
March 29, 2016 9:48 p.m.
I think my solution is a lot easier to implement. My solution also protects better against spam tagging people for with malicious intent.
Blocking people from tagging you by name still allows the following notifications:
- A topic you posted to updates.
- A person's page your following has a new post.
- A deck you are following has a new post.
I don't know what else we really need...
March 29, 2016 9:51 p.m.
If we start discussing anything that's mildly annoying on TO on a regular basis, things will get as knee-jerky as the modern ban list.
March 29, 2016 9:51 p.m.
OutspokenFerret says... #23
TheDevicer - Agree to Disagree :D
However, I don't think there is a blanket solution at this point, it's not a huge deal and I don't mind dealing with it, I just also feel like it can get out of hand.
March 29, 2016 10:01 p.m.
yeaGO - I get tagged in things a fair amount of the time because I regularly comment on decks that have been deckcycled. So I'll leave a comment on a deck that's on the front page then like a few months later suddenly I'll get a tag. This site is a nightmare for me I regularly get 8-10 notifications an hour every hour. Comments on my wall requesting feedback on things etc etc.
Honestly - I ignore it half the time. Unless I recognise the deck title as one that I particularly care about I just never revisit. I might click the link and read the comment but unless it's a very specific question to me I won't waste any more time on it.
It IS annoying but it takes me about 30 seconds to check. Open the notification in a new tab. Check to see if the tag is warranted. If so - comment. If not - close the tab.
I would recommend that you don't make it so that you can only tag followers on decklists just for the simple reason that article writers typically tag other people on private articles (decks) so that we (the publishers) and others can have a read through and see what they've written. And for obvious reasons I don't want to have chat enabled and be following every single person that ever writes something. Also, sometimes people just make copies of other peoples decks and tag them in it so that they can suggest edits etc.
However I think being stern with people that tag like above 5 users in a comment and give no specific reason as to why - no question, no feedback, no comment etc. is not a bad way to go. I'll just say - "Hey! Can you be a bit more productive with your tagging please!". If it's not really hurting anyone specifically then maybe we should just be gently discouraging it rather than laying down some kind of new preventative measure that has unintended side effects.
March 30, 2016 5:20 a.m.
TheDevicer - I don't think you started the problem. You're pretty prominent on here and you tagged a lot of people you were familiar with.
The issue that occurred less than an hour following was at least two other people basically took your exact list and maybe added a few people they knew and stuck it on their comments for their decks. People I had not interacted with previously whatsoever.
I don't mind helping people or looking at decks. My issue is I don't want to become part of this tag block that everybody and anybody starts throwing on their decks full of people they don't know and just assume are knowledgeable because "Hey this person did it, so they must be important." Here's a really bad comparison but the best one I can dream up. People using Stopping Power as a perk in some of the older Call of Duty games on core game modes. It was viewed as a requirement because everybody else was doing it. It was the only way to do well. Kill faster.
Only way to get views. Views and votes faster. Do better. Same concept.
I can ignore three people who throw me in a group tag. What I'm worried about, and what OutspokenFerret is worried about, is this becoming a normal thing, which is a view I can agree with when two people I had never interacted with at a semi-personal level on here did the same thing less than an hour following. I logged in this morning with 32 notifications. I don't want to see that number double because people feel the need to clickbait their decks with mentions.
If I'm mentioned I assume it's because somebody is responding to me, discussing me, or earnestly seeking my help. And while the latter may be somewhat true, in reality most people will just want more people to look at their deck in a shorter amount of time. Cycling for two weeks before they get noticed is too much work.
That's what I make of it. No disrespect or unlove for TheDevicer. I actually know him. I didn't mind his tagging of me.
March 30, 2016 9:48 a.m.
Maybe just ask that people don't do that then. And I will certainly have a word if I see it becoming problematic.
There will be collateral damage if a system is implemented that tries to allow some tags whilst blocking others because for some of us it's vitally important that we get tags from people we haven't necessarily ever interacted with before.
March 30, 2016 10:03 a.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #27
Honestly, there's no problem to fix now. Two or three people did the mass tags because they thought it was ok, yeago either deleted them or someone else told them, and they won't do it again. Unless this actually becomes a common practice (which it hasn't so far), I don't think anything should be changed.
March 30, 2016 10:08 a.m.
I do agree there's no need for an automatic attempt at filtering out the spam induced. I don't think it will catch fire that quickly. I believe OutspokenFerret's goals were simply to warn of a possible storm that could happen as a result.
For right now it's just a matter of, as you said Chief, telling people it's not something you want to make a habbit of.
TMBRLZ says... #2
I don't mind it if it's somebody I've actually communicated with and had some connection with prior, but I also don't necessarily enjoy becoming part of a tag list for people who don't even know me to use. I get about 10-20 notifications an hour as it is.
March 29, 2016 2:56 p.m.